ChrisAsh
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Google your local shooting school and have a couple of lessons probably less than £50 each, you will learn a lot shooting a few clays with their guns be able to try side by side and the more popular over under
For hide work you dont need anything posh it will get wet and knocked about
250 clays will make you a much better shot quickly and cheaply, where as starting in the field you would need to teach yourself and learn the hard and expensive was
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Arre but can you expect others to buy a gun without those modern super updates that mean you cannot miss anymore, therebe Gold Triggers, Back bored tubes, removable chokes, very expensive designer chokes, fancy sights, chrome barrels inerds, shock absorbers, Adjustable combe and so on
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The word "BEST" is used very freely in the shotgun world, Many Shotguns at the turn of the century were made a work tools for Farmers and the like and fine for their needs others went upmarket a bit and produced the top of the range mods to these guns like car makers do today and a few made top end guns made just for you from start to finish
So how do we really define the word "Best" by today's standard is it only the Purdey or Boss guns that are bast or any gun say priced over £10,000 or £20,000
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Quite hard to qualify the quality of a shotgun these days, older guns were mad with possibly overweight components due to the indifferent steels used but modern guns all made using CNC tools with very well known steel which can be cut to much finer tolerances, Both should last over one hundred years but whilst some makes or types are loved for their age others only have a short life before they are outdated hence the thousands of SXS guns on the market at under £100 and the lesser known brands of O/U being sold under say £300
prices on Guntrader for B25's start at about £1000 and quite a few the other day under £2000 and Beretta the only gun maker with such a vast selection of shotguns most of which appear to use the same action and barrels
Like most things fashion and marketing play a massive part in both the pricing and popularity of things
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My RFD filled in the form for me and faxed it off to the FEO before I left the shop and gave me a copy to prove it had been sent, guess in the whole it must have taken him about 5 min extra time and saved me the effort.
Locally we call it customer service
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We could ask our shooting organisation to Under the "freedom of information act" request the home office to list the waiting times for gun licences suues and renuwals over say the last six months listed for all constabularies, and do the same every six months and publish the figures in the organisations news letters
That way knowing they were being monitored by the home office we may get action
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The other thing to remember when using it in the house is as you swing the gun around you can get multi reflections off mirrors or other reflective items and get someone in the same room hit in the eye by the laser so take extra care
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How do you know its lined up straight along the barrel, I brought one and it reflected along the barrel, opened the gun and turned 90 degrees and spot had moved and so on around 360 degrees. Obviously the laser was not lined up correct either inside or base was distorted.
A lot of room to be ok in a room but out at say 40 metres
We had a very expensive and accurate optical bore scope when in the navy but that was for 4.5 inch gun and no expense spared but not much use for a 12g
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What makes you think you need a higher comb, have you had your gun fit checked by a expert or very knowlegable shooter, have you shot a patern plate and found out where your shots land
Anyway that looks a very large amount of raising the eye
Have you had any training on shooting a shotgun or just jumped in at the deep end
I would really sujest you take your gun to the most professional gun shop in your area and ask them to check your gun fit
Sorry just looked closer and seen the joke
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Nive looking gun, very very nice
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Its hard as a buyer to judge the fair price of guns as advertised, no real details are given apart from make, model , LOP & chokes. Nothing about age or how many shorts through it or use and how its been looked after
Some want to sell five year old models from the most popular big three makers at 10 to 20% of the current version regardless on the new gun being both new and having a guarantee, if they can get it good on them but it does raise a few questions
Other good makes seem to be realistic with their prices at about 50% of the new price
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Myself I don't see anything sporting about Lamping and also think Battery animals is cruel
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Just checked JustCartridges web site and they are still quoting £15.00 carrige cost per thousand as before and seemd to remember they used TNT
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You will find there is a shooting club near you that offers lessons. probably about £50-60 for a lesson where they will teach you gun safety give you about 50 shots and also sort you out with a selection of guns to try that fit close to your requirements, 2 or 3 lessons should give you a great understanding and help you decide what gun suites you and all the basic safety requirements
If you ask at your local gunshop they will also tell you of any local informal clubs / shoots where you are likely to find between say 20-30 members just shooting for fun with a varied selection of clay targets and members with all skills levels, normally open just once or twice a week maybe fortnight, The bigger clubs are more compertition related at times but open to practice a lot of times on your own
costs vary between say 20p a clay at small clubs to 30-35p on the larger clubs
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From Wikipedia Quote
" A 12-gauge shotgun, nominally 18.5 mm (0.73 in), can range from a tight 18.3 mm (0.72 in) to an extreme overbore of 20.3 mm (0.80 in)."
Chokes are measured as a percentage restriction on the bore so a ,01% restriction on a bore of 18.3mm will be different to one using a overbore of 20.3mm and all in between
Choke gauges are normally set up for the average 18.5mm and therefore will be quite accurate for some guns and not so accurate on others purely depending on the actual bore of the gun
Choke restrictions
Cylinder 0.000inch
Skeet 0.005 inch
Improved 0.010 inch
Mod 0.020 inch
Full 0.030 inch
So you can see the amount is very little and bore size can make a big difference
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Wow what a bargain
If only i did not have a wife I would jump at it, but noway she will let me have another gun
As a matter of interest what are the choke sizes
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I would say the CNC strongest points is its ability to work consistently and accurately giving consisted accurate parts
I would not little the word Engineer to the even the most skilled machine operator which can be to the dighest degree but a Engineer is able to solve far higher skills like designing the CNC machine
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Is not a shotgun a weapon, designed to kill something, and incidently can be used for things sports like clays, The word weapon is a better safety description to make you fully aware of what its designed to do rather than a type of object
The image shown to the public non shooting fraternity, is upheld by showing safety awareness at all times, and sadly initial safety training is not a requirement to the issue of a licence
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strange that a person will start a post and after 34 replies , still has not taken any further part in the post............
Actually just keeping in the background
I do believe that Guntrader and star both offer true realistic market prices with a bit of room to negotiate on, and most on this forum are great prices just the others that seem to loose reality
Sorry for confusion I was talking about sporting and clays when I mentions shoot not game shoots
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Quite a lot of popular but quite old (+10 years) fairly basic shotguns (68* and similar other makes) offered for sale on this forum, many 28inch or less
Not one person at my shoot uses 28inch these day all either 30 -32 inch
Seconhand guns dont have a guarantee and no idea of how much use
Now these are not english best guns by anymeans so why the silly high prices when you can but new guns for not much more
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Full length Tubes would be a better choice at about £600 each, just slip into the 12 gauge barrel and only add very little weight, used all the time on NASA skeet where you shoot the four gauges
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sold my Yildiz 410 o/u and had to buy another to replace it 9 months later
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If we do not include the top say 20 guns of any period,(as they are or were the fashion leaders) then:-
When O/U first came on the Skeet ranges is there any proof that the average Skeet shooter in compertitions score improved against the SxS shooter or was it just a fashion statement
Same sort of thing where skeet barrel lengths has ranged from 26 inch to 34 inch
Why was the less skilful Mounted shooting allowed into gun sports when the un-Mounted was a much more skilful sport giving a far closer match to field shooting , which was the starting reason to the clay sports
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If roger banister was a paid full time runner, I would imagine his times would also have improved as well as training methods
How do you tell if if a firing pin is broken?
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would it be the most used barrel that has the worn down stricker