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Evening gents,
I've searched and turned nothing up, but apologies if this has already been covered. So according to Henry Kranks, the law changed on May 2nd regarding expanding bullets (I won't call them heads, so help me God). It ain't often that a sensible relaxation of firearms laws happens in the UK, so it was a pleasant surprise:
What does this mean in relation to purchasing EXPANDING BULLETS FOR USE IN RIFLES?
- You can now purchase expanding bullets for your rifle online, over the phone or in-store without the need of a firearms license.
- There is no longer a requirement to examine a firearms certificate for specific conditions permitting the purchase/possession of expanding bullets.
- The sale will not be recorded in a register as previously done.
- The bullets will not be entered on to a firearms certificate.
What does this mean in relation to purchasing EXPANDING AMMUNITION FOR USE IN RIFLES?- You can now purchase expanding ammunition for your rifle as long as that calibre is listed on your firearms certificate.
- There is no longer a requirement to examine a firearms certificate for specific conditions permitting the purchase/possession of expanding ammunition.
- Your certificate will be checked for the calibre.
- The sale will be recorded in a register and entered on to the firearms certificate. -
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Hi is gun still for sale?
PM sent.
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Express appear to resent selling reloading supplies even to RFD's and only do it because they have to as the UK distributor of Vectan. Most of their other components such as wads and lead shot are silly dear too.
To the OP, what are you loading and can't you use something else?
I just finished the tub of A1 that was given to me and I've used it in everything from 12 gauge and .410 to .38 muzzleloader and some quite obscure cartridges too. There are no doubt numerous better powders for each individual use but I'm in the process of condensing my shooting / reloading gear and all the related clutter I've gathered. I did just realise I have some herco left though which seems to be pretty versatile stuff too, so the pressure is off for a while.
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The best way if you can wait is to get some dropped off by John at FES when he comes by in the middle of April.
Thanks for the heads up. As he's heading up the A1, closest he'll be would be Peterborough I think, which is still over 200 mile round trip. Thanks again though, worth bearing in mind.
May be stupid but Express cartridges the importer!
Thanks for info! There was a chap on here who looked into this a while back. They could supply small quantities but wanted silly money compared to the going rate in the shops. General consensus was it wasn't a sensible option.
I hope to be doing my reloading hz kidderminster soon. - when the house contract Completes. Maybe you could do a joint trip in the future.
Good luck with the move. Shooting supplies in Bromsgrove will be a good port of call for your reloading stuff around here, but they are increasingly struggling to get certain powders etc. They don't carry the more obscure stuff (which is what I always seem to need) so joint trips could definitely be handy in the future.
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Well for all those of us who've been crying out for a tactical all black rimfire round designed for use against prarie dogs / meerkats, Eley have finally answered our prayers!
In all seriousness though, the old HV HP were reliable and accurate rounds, albeit with tiny, inconsistent hollowpoints but at least now I can shoot my last few without feeling like the end is nigh.
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Norman Clark in Rugby is worth a try also Pete Starley in Warwick
Bit of a treck but well worth the visit: Brock & Norris, Mike is excellent but call first to see what he has in stock !
ATB
Matt
Thanks for the info chaps, I'll call to see what they've got tomorrow. Looks like I won't find any much more "local" than that.
No.
That's worth knowing thanks - looks like Peter's website could do with updating to say he's no longer in business.
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Afternoon all, does anybody know where I could track down a pound or so of Vectan A1 around these parts please? I'm situated in Kidderminster (25 miles SW of Birmingham). So far Peter Lawman seems closest but that's still quite a trek.
Thanks a lot for any help!
Sterling
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No problem Ian.
All the best mate!
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Hi Ian,
If we're talking about the same "round dark bit", that's the gas adjuster which is used to ensure proper cycling with both light clay loads and heavy wildfowling loads. If it's the other round dark bit, that's the fore-end sleeve and cap which virtually holds the whole thing together.
I could send to your RFD (registered firearms dealer) but bear in mind that would incur a postage/admin cost with my RFD this end and probably a transfer cost your end at your RFD. In total, that's usually around £40 ~ £50 (for the buyer to pay). I would be reluctant to do that with this gun as the saving over a new Hatsan just wouldn't justify it and I'd feel I was doing you and your son a disservice.
As far as offers; I think the price is fair, so I'm not in a rush to drop it sorry.
I'll PM you a link which I think might be of interest.
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Hi all, this is my gun and it's been faultless. Initially bought to try my hand out on the marshes but a move with work now forces sale.
Thanks for looking!
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Apologies in advance for the silly Qs -
Is this held on an SGC?
Effectively a muzzle-loading shotgun then? Looks lovely - i may be tempted, but don;t know how i would go about shooting it...
Effective range?
I shoot BP revolvers, etc.
What's the overall length? Must check my cabinet...
They're not silly questions at all.
It's held on SGC and legally a muzzle-loading shotgun as you say. As far as shooting it; you can shoot it with shot (5 or more pieces, non exceeding .36") on any land you can legally shoot a conventional shotgun. It can also be used at home office approved ranges with single ball (slug). You don't need an FAC to do that or even be a club member, you just can't legally shoot single ball from it outside of an approved range. Some extremely annoying shooters have made a real song and dance about this law, writing to the police and home office just to feel noticed but it's really quite clear.
Effective range: cylinder bore with 3/4oz of shot drops small game just fine out to maximum 35 yards. More effective than a .410 for me, seems on a par with 28 gauge. With patched ball and a bit of experimenting with loads, you can get some surprisingly good groups out to 50m. Seems wherever the ball goes subsonic, that's where accuracy falls off fast, so hotter loads for further range.
OAL is 50.5" and is a hair too long for a lot of safes. Some forces are happy with just a cable lock for a single muzzleloader but others vary.
If you decide it's your cup of tea, just drop me a PM. I see you're in London so I'd be willing to ship to RFD at no extra cost.
Cheers for now, Sterling.
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Ahhhr, that is hurting me.
I have the 45 version and that is good.
Get in touch if you want to sell the bits and bobs!
They are wonderful guns. Despite looking unwieldy, it balances and handles beautifully and is no problem to take game on the wing. Shoots decent groups with patched ball too.
You'd have first dibs on the bits and bobs but this isn't the end of the road for me and blackpowder - it's just the beginning. This gun is too long to fit in my old man's safe, so I'll pick up another one exactly the same in Canada where I can finally legally point it at deer.
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Hi all, this is my gun. Only reason for sale is the need to reduce my collection before heading overseas with work.
Sale is for musket only, accessories in picture are not included.
Thanks for looking!
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How cool is that!!
What powder are you using and how long are those barrels?
So jealous
I used Alliant 2400 powder because I already had it knocking around for reduced cast .243 loads. Without looking in my little black book, I'd say it's 13grains 2400 behind a lubed .430" overpowder wad, 1/2oz shot and a .450" overshot card glued in place with clear nail varnish. The .444 brass you should recognise though, as it's yours.
The barrels are 19" and the gun folds completely in half, so it fits in a backpack for those long hikes back to camp. Go on, you know you need one.
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Oh I want one.... What makes is it and where did you get it from....?
Great shooting as well...
Tedly
Thanks Tedly. It's a Chiappa double-badger and whilst they're a bit rare over here right now, Edgar Bro's will import them from Italy and have them proofed.
Is that a MagTech home load I spy in the first photo?
Ha, well spotted Dasher. I got bored of paying through the nose for factory shells and couldn't track down any magtech at the time, so it's actually modified .444 Marlin brass with a 1/2oz load of #7 shot. Patterns lovely and works a treat at sensible ranges.
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Another cracking job Underdog. I know these tight choked smallbores take a confident shot to fill the pot but they sure are rewarding when you do. I hope your exploits inspire more folks to think outside the box and leave the 12 gauge in the safe from time to time.
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Just looking at Underdog's great photos of his .410 exploits reminded me of the first shots I took with my new .410 earlier this year. A lovely spring stroll resulted in three rabbits for just two shots of the little shotgun! Okay, the third rabbit was taken with the .22LR barrel. There's only one gun I find more fun than a .410 and that's one with a rimfire attached to it...
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o k motty I will stick to the sub's and the standard 3 inch thank you .
Ken, I know those 3" eley extralongs you're using are a heavy load (and expensive) and I used to use them exclusively for my .410 shooting but if you haven't already, it might be worth patterning them. In both my .410's they pattern worse than the 12.5 gram eley's and the 14 gram lyalvale's. Despite being subs, they were also louder through my hushpower than standard cartridges. At 25 yards there were holes in the pattern big enough for several rabbits to get through! That's my excuse anyway.
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As above, normal shotgun rules apply and a single ball would need FAC to shoot legally.
Where muzzleloaders are concerned; SGC is all you need for a smoothbore and single ball, no FAC necessary - this only applies at an approved range with a suitable safety cert though. In 2013 the ACPO considered and decided against conditioning muzzleloaders for deer or fox so as far as I'm aware, nobody will be granted an FAC to use a muzzleloader with ball outside of a range.
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anyone use eley 410 ammo 2/12 inch 6s and 12 1/2 grm
These sound like the eley "fourlong". I got it in my head that they were pretty anemic being such a light load, so I switched to eley "extralongs" which are the 3" 18 gram version. That was until I patterned the two back to back through a full choke! As others have said though, I think #7 shot is a fair compromise in .410 and it seems to penetrate fur or feather just fine.
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When glass bedding a cz 452 with sporter barrel is it worth bedding the rear tang as it alreeady has a pillar of sorts?
If your CZ is shooting really well now, I'd be cautious about trying a bedding job which won't see a massive return on a rimfire. With that said, I enjoy tinkering and I like it when other people do too, so have a look over at the "rimfire central" forum in the "CZ" section and you'll find a few write-ups about how to bed the 452 action, if you haven't already done it. My 452 American action is bedded, barrel free-floated and timney trigger installed. It's unnecessarily accurate with eley sub HP's for hunting and with eley match ammo at the range, I don't think I could ever do it justice.
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Thanks for the replies chaps. Those are some great photos Underdog - just the kind of thing I had in mind! Nice to know the .45 is a viable wingshooter too because I've just spotted a used pedersoli which sounds like it will make a fine game-getter while on my walks. It seems like the .58 would be more gun than I need but it's interesting to see how the muzzleloaders' payloads compare to the modern gauges.
I think I might just make myself a period longhunter outfit to go with the musket too. As if I don't scare dog walkers enough without looking like an 18th century frontiersman.
Thanks for the offer of advice U, I will probably get in touch with a question or two as they arise when I get going. But first, off to get a gun...
Expanding bullet law change
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Ah thanks Dunkfield, I don't know why that didn't turn up in my searches. Thanks to folks for your feedback anyway!
Safe shooting, Sterling.