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Sorry for going off topic but are you both using Magtech brass cases with rifle primers?
No, I'm using .444 marlin cases with large rifle primers.
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Well that's a relief. Despite regularly working up loads for conventional metallic rounds, the thought of squeezing an oversize wad through a very tight choke just spooks me a little.
Anyway, thanks for the reassurance chaps! Now, back to shooting...
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How do folks,
A quick question for the shotgun reloading sages among you: I'm reloading all brass cases for the .410 which require oversized fibre wads at .430". So after slinging quite a few of these at rabbits to good effect, I measured what I observed to be a pretty tight choke and it turned out to be a scary .376".
Fifty thou oversize just sounds bonkers to me so now that I've broken out in a cold sweat, is continuing to swage a .430" fibre wad through a .376" choke asking for a barrel bulge or worse?
As always, thanks for any insight chaps!
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Interested in the .410 please, PM on its way.
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It's wrong time of year to be ferreting it more trouble than it's worth with young rabbits about and does in kindel they won't bolt you better of shooting them
Ahh, thanks for the info. I've never had anything to do with ferrets, so that's news to me. I do recall being told not to use ferrets in a month that doesn't have an "r" in it (start of May to end of August) but wasn't aware it was too late in the year already.
Well sod it, I'll just keep shooting them instead. As you were chaps....
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Right chaps,
I've got some rabbits that need to be gone asap and they aren't responding quick enough to just me solo lamping.
I'll be blunt; this isn't me handing over a permanent permission and it isn't suitable for a novice shooter. It is a chance for someone who wants to work their ferrets to get out somewhere different. I would also be open to invite shooting on my other permissions with me further down the line.
The land is accessible only on foot. There's no mixy and you're welcome to keep the rabbits as long as I get a couple for the pot.
If all that sounds reasonable, feel free to get in touch.
Cheers!
Sterling.
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went out a couple of nights ago with a friend and he was using eley subs in his cz452.
very impressed by how quiet they were, but not so impressed by the knock down ability of them if im honest.
anyone else had any issues with them?
My runner was head shot first, entered a little low but i still would have put money on it being stone dead on impact.
I know what you're saying - I've been pretty underwhelmed by eley SSHP performance a few times but in fairness I've used ten times as many eleys than any other sub. Subs are a compromise - they don't cause much trauma and if they weren't a lot quieter than HV's, I wouldn't use them. Heck, I'd use an HMR if it was quiet and cheap but sadly it isn't. Winchester and CCI subs do seem to cause more damage than eley but CCI are very loud in comparison (last batch also had a lot go supersonic) and Winchesters just don't shoot in my rifle.
I have had rabbits run when shot low in the head with subs too but if you look at a rabbit's anatomy, it really isn't surprising - there's a fine line between a brain shot and a jaw shot:
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Despite thinking the hornet would be a sweet round for the small species at short range, I'm actually totally with you on the slow and heavy idea! Although, a lot of stalkers love their .223 for muntjac out to 200m and coincidentally, it's then carrying the same energy as a hornet would be at close range.
I personally love the 30-30 and a down-loaded .45-70 would be good medicine, as would a hot .44 mag if it could make 1700ftlbs? Basically any big, soft slug at moderate velocities would be great I think. If my FEO will entertain my romantic notions of an iron-sighted, big bore lever action for deer, that's the way I'll go for woodland stalking. Just thank your lucky stars we don't have the Scottish 2450fps limit to contend with too!
Anyway, nice job on the munty and keep pushing for that black powder project.
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How much meat do you get from a muntjac? Any pics?
Not a lot, but what you do get is just about the best venison going and being so small, they are a pleasure to handle!
A young buck produced this little lot plus a couple of pounds of mince.
P.s. Nice work neutron619! Looking at you next to that tiny beast, I can't help thinking again that a .22 hornet or .357 magnum would be a nice round for woodland muntjac rather than the big boomers we use these days.
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Originalgeezer - somebody may have mentioned it and I missed it while skim-reading but have you been over to "cross-guns" at Kinver? Cracking sporting layout only 5 miles or so from Stourbridge. Runs on a Sunday, 60 or 100 bird and there's plenty there to challenge a good shot. I haven't had the shotgun out of the safe for a long time and it's been even longer since I've shot clays though. I spend my time deer stalking and rabbit shooting, so I'm a rifle man at heart [read: **** with a shotgun] but I'd be up for meeting up there with any of you folks if you fancy a change of scene.
Feel free to send a PM if you want to see someone who is really on a "plateau" with a shotgun.
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If I just factor in consumables; I reload .243 for £8/box of 20, while Privi is about £13 and Winchester is £25.
My homeloads shoot groups about 1/2 the size of factory rounds and if I was burning through lots of rounds on a range, it would make total financial sense. For someone like me who maybe shoots 20 deer a year at 150m or less, the odd fox and an occasional zero session, it's only worth reloading if you enjoy it. I calculated that it will take 5 years to break even on my investment in relatively economical LEE reloading gear with .243 at this rate. Fortunately I reload for a range of more expensive calibres and enjoy it as a hobby though.
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Now that looks like a brilliant day, great job Andrew!
you've just inspired me to do something similar for my local bunch. -
I wonder whether turning a plug to fit inside the shell to support it whilst turning the outside would be an option? You'd have to be very accurate with your tolerances but would make end support easier?
That's the ticket, that's what I mean by a pipe centre. Just a 10.4mm "plug" revolving centre one end into the bore, one 5.3mm plug the other end into the primer pocket (both of them with a recess to allow the tool to come in to face off the ends). I'm just hobby tinkering though and I'm keen to learn so I'll try "our way" and Andy's when I've got some time again.
Too slow again
I was busy looking for the 303 cases I've got somewhere I would be happy to swap some beer tokens for a few, ether with you or or underdog.
Not to worry, I'll send you some. I'll send you a PM when I get them to arrange postage.
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Drill and ream internal bore then turn outer diameter before you part it off from the bar stock ,Then face off the base and finish with through hole and primer pocket ,Make sure the tool is very sharp and not dull this way you do not need to turn between centres.
I had planned to use a pipe centre for accuracy but your way is the smart way.
I may well be interested in it!
I've got a thread running about black powder cartridges for a 410 I'm looking at for my dad.
Reloading looks like the only way of getting any!
I've already paid for them mate but you're welcome to a few of mine if Underdog takes them out and sends them to you. You'd probably have to bung him some money to cover postage.
I don't want to put words in his mouth though, so maybe message him yourself. If all else fails - if you cover postage, I'll send you some when they arrive. Did you follow all that?
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I'd be concerned that 0.8mm was too thin for turning on a lathe to that length but if you can, then I'm impressed!
I'm just learning as I go along but even on this old Zyto that's literally three times as old as I am, it's doable I reckon. It'll require making a tool but once the ID and primer pocket hole are reamed, it should be possible to make the other cuts on live centres and 0.8mm over that length shouldn't be impossible. Only one way to find out!..
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Internal taper !
I have a bag of 444 marlin brass here. You would only have to trim the rims!
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Interesting. I had a couple of 9.3 x 74 shells in the past and they did work so I will have a look at some .444 brass - thanks for the hint Underdog. I may still have a go at turning a couple anyway when I've cleared enough space in the workshop to breathe.
The case walls would be 0.8mm but I still see your point. An interesting little project.
Ha, apologies for the typo - I was genuinely aware that the walls were 0.8mm rather than 1.6mm. It was the fact that typical brass is half that at around 0.4mm which was the concern. I'll go and edit the original post and nobody will ever know.
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Hi all,
So I want a handful of top quality .410 brass shells to play with. I don't personally like the result of fire-formed cases and I can't find factory stuff for love nor money. So with a quiet weekend ahead, I thought I'd settle down at the lathe and run up a few shells. I reload a fair few different cartridges now but I've got a question for you chaps with a lot more experience and scientific know-how than me:
I'm planning to ream them for large pistol primers because I've got a lot knocking about, so ignore that bit - it's the case wall thickness that's concerning me. 12mm OD is a nice fit in my chamber and 10.4mm ID will fit standard .410 components nicely. That's leaving me with 0.8mm case walls though and I'm concerned that even in soft brass that's too thick to form/obturate to the chamber and will allow gas to flow back. What do you reloading gurus reckon? Try it as is, reduce OD, or increase ID and use over-sized cards/wads? Or maybe ditch the project and go to the pub?
Thanks!
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Think you may be right!
.410 black powder reloading is quite a place to start! If you do start loading black powder, it's even more crucial than smokeless reloading to seek someone experienced to get you going. One confusion of dram mass, dram volume or drachm and it could be the last we see of you. It's only simple rocket science though and could be quite a nice project.
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Cracking job mate, a lovely buck! You've just reminded me that the freezer is empty and I fancy roast muntjac haunch. I guess I know what I'll be doing tomorrow evening...
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Shows the power of a .22 I've spoke to a lad earlier in the week who,s just applied for his fac and was saying to how a .22 rim fire is similar power to an fac air rifle, i,'ll show him that pic
Yes it's the most under-estimated round in existence. 200ftlb is nothing to sneeze at and is in another league from most fac air rifles! Pyramyd Air .50 calibre air rifles are available now though if the lad can write a convincing variation application.
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Hi all, I've just been
deleting evidencefreeing up some memory on the camera and found a few pics which might be of marginal interest to folks around here.Well I'd been disputing with a mate whether a .22LR would shoot through a sheet of 7mm aluminium I had lying around, so in the interests of science and winning a bet, we headed off to shoot some stuff...
So from 50m, a subsonic .22 stuck in the sheet and left a dimple on the back, the supersonic .22 very nearly pushed right through and finally, the .243 just kept on trucking (no surprises there).
Next up is our valiant attempt at a 2.5L turbo pigeon hide. The pigeons and rabbits responded well to our efforts, dog walkers and the general public on the other hand...
Last, but not least is the beautiful sunset that I was treated to while roost shooting last night. Saw more bats than pigeons but a nice evening to be alive nonetheless.
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Lyalvale now produce fibre .410 shells as of early August. I looked on various sites, but cannot find a stockist.
Now that's interesting! About time another factory gave eley a bit of competition in that niche, perhaps we'll see a .410 price war between them. A man can only dream...
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Have you used the eley 12.5g cartridges, as a comparison ? .. lm curious to know if there is a noticeable difference ..
I've used both and settled on the lyalvale - they are definitely faster and add a few yards to your range. The eley fourlong are weak even by 410 standards but are the absolute quietest when moderated (suspect they are subsonic). If it's important to you, the eley use a waxed cork wad, lyalvale use plastic. In the absence of my 12gauge, lyalvale 16gram is my workhorse cartridge though.
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As others have said, buckshot patterns are terrible beyond 20 yards or so. I've never had a single fox run on when hit with 36g BB (eley alphamax) but probably #1 or #3 shot would be a better size for pellet count vs penetration. They wouldn't notice if it was a 50g magnum load either, but you certainly would. That said, if your fields are safe to launch buckshot in and you're serious about reducing foxes, a .22cf would seem a sound investment?
blackpowder calibre choice
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Evening all,
I wondered if the dirty front-stuffers amongst you would have any advice for my first forays into the dark art?
I'm looking for a percussion BP muzzleloader smoothebore long gun (quite a mouthful I know). It'll just be to take on my strolls for the odd small game opportunity (with birdshot) and for shooting patched ball at the range. Can I ask what calibre/gun you might recommend? For instance, would a little .45 be the equivalent of my modern .410 in effectiveness or would I need a much larger bore to bring down game with shot? I'm not looking to replace the 12 gauge, just a little messy fun and something else to tinker with.
Many thanks for any help!