Nogbad

At least some of us have an understanding the problem and the possible practical solutions. For others, as always ignorance is bliss.

As is so often the case. What once was considered acceptable practices, has now been shown to be flawed. Time and understanding moves on. Don't get me wrong. I m in favour of a badger cull, and I have no problem with what was done in the past. I just believe that what was done then should be left in the past, and we should adopt better, modern methods of dealing with the problems.

What can one say but good luck. Whats £60 these days? Most lads I know can spend that and more on a night out. Factor in your time and the buggeration element when the thing fails and you've had to repair or replace it twice over before you decide to scrap the darn thing it and buy a window bag and you'll been quids in. The enjoyment of making things can work out more expensive than you first imagined. Hopefully we all live and learn. Some just take longer than others. Atb

Gamebore 32g Impact3" 3's for geese and 5's for duck. Not cheap but they certainly do the business. Give Charlie a call at Just Cartridges he was doing a half price delivery deal at the Game Fair.

Nope I'm all in favour of eating what you shoot or catch. But there is a limit to just how far I'm willing to go to maintain that.

Where does one start?

Eddie Considering they are one of the prime harbourers of bTb I would be that enthusiastic about the idea of bunging another one in the bottom oven of the Rayburn these days.

Best bit of bit of advice I can offer...............is. You should have brought one already worked over by the lads at NWCP or RFD, and then drop it in a Hogue stock. It works out far cheaper in the end and you end up with a decent .22 S/A

I see you're getting ever more desperate.Sad and very predictable. I'll have toleave you to your own devices Dave. My dinners on the table.

Follow the link to Equifix off my earlier post or try your luck at www.shootingbags.co.uk

Thats very kind of you. But I'm still not that way inclined, and I'm definitely not interested. :blink:

Some low life's will pinch anything. I hope all the publicity helps get her back . Selena Masson of the Shooting Time got her Cocker spaniel back after it had been stolen 13 months earlier. I'll leave you to figure out who had stolen him in the first place.

Sorry pal I'm not that way inclined. :blink:

Believe me the golfing crowd have been tring to resolve this one for years and have never come up with a viable solution. At the end of the day you can only legislate to a certain degree. After that you have to rely upon the individuals honesty, morals and ethics. We all know what happens to those 3 things when money gets put into the equation.

The main problem with using the wing mirror is it only allows for a small arc of ground to be covered. If the target moves out of that small arc you have no choice but to move the vehicle. With a window rest bag from Equifix or a well designed window rest like the one sold by Arthur Carters. Not the mickey mouse sort cobbled together by Sako and his brother. You get a fair wider arc of ground covered and a more stable and more comfortable rest if parked up and sat waiting on a particular vantage point. Having said that I still use the wing mirror if the need or opportunity arises. Horses for courses. There's no price that can be put on experience.

ROTFLMAO If it bends it fails. Sorry if its getting too technical. Still you'll find out soon enough if you give it enough use. I guess some people only learn by doing it themselves. Having been there, and done it.I think I've even seen the video and worn the T shirt, we have moved firmly over to using the window bag rests as posted. We definitely won't be going back to using plumbers copper pipe and soldered fittings .

You think some CPSA shooters are working the old score card flanker you should take a look at the golfing comps. There have always been high single figure handicappers who are in reality scratch golfers. Its been going on since the day they invented the game mate same goes for clay comps.

Enough said. Atb

Oh,I believe you Alex.

I thought I had answered the questions regarding the possible/potential failure. Admittedly in a some what brief manner. I didn't anticipate that you would require a detailed explanation. Here goes. The major flaw/weakness in your rest is the design and materials used for the central pivot point. As you have a high point loading focused on the most critical element. You'll find that the mouth of the bottom 90deg T will bell out with usage. There by increasing the point loading on the short spigot on the cradle. Eventually either the spigot or the 90deg T will deform. If you look at the photo of the rest where the rifle is sitting in the cradle you can see the rest already bending. As I said copper tube has insufficient wall strength. Hence we changed to gas pipe. It also allowed us to incorporate a bearing into the pivot rest assembly. Our final design worked trouble free for over 4 years. Perhaps yours will last longer, who knows. :thumbs:

See my reply above.

No sales pitch. I have nowt to do with the manufacturers. Our experience was that the thin walled copper piping you have used in your design would inevitably fail at the pivot/bend points. IIRC we went thru 3 design changes before we ditched the copper pipe and went over to the gas pipe. There is little or no movement required when using the window bags. You simply rest the rifles fore end on the bag and drop the butt of the rifle into your lap. If you need more or less elevation, something difficult to achieve with your cradle design, you just raise or lower the window. Simples! Perhaps your design will work out for you.

When you take into account the depth of this 4th year of the recession and the astronomical costs involved in taking and manning a stand at the CLA these days. I was pleasantly surprised to see as many retailers and distributors as there where on Gunmakers row. It would also explain the glaring lack of decent price deals being offered. Even if you offered the seller hard cash in the form of crisp £50 notes. Still their loss is another retailers gain. However I found the fishing village retailers a far more ready to do a deal than any of the retailers on gunmarkers row. At least some retailers/manufacturers are still commercially aware and I did manage to find a good deal on a couple of firearm and fishing items. Just a shame I couldn't do the same with the game feed people.

I hope you're right. A friend and I had a go at something very, very similar about 10 years ago. We eventually found that standard copper pipe doesn't have sufficient wall thickness to stop it flexing and eventually failing. We ended up using steel gas pipe in the end. Once we realised that the extra weight involved isn't really an issue. We made 2 up. 1 for each window. They worked reasonably well and were only scrapped when the vehicle was changed. We now have these instead http://www.equifixshootingbags.co.uk/index.php?p=1_6_Window-Rest-Bags