Sweet11-87
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Never delt with carbon fibre gun parts but deal with carbon fibre in bikes all the time. It’s advise you don’t use anything more aggressive that soapy water as the carbon fibre is lacquered and you never know how good thst lacquer is.but tbh I doubt that will shift 15 years of dirty 22lr residue. You sure it doesn’t strip apart? It’s probably a carbon shell with steel baffles. A monolithic moderator would be incredibly hard to make from carbon and would end up being very expensive to produce not to mention a really stupid design for Rimfire ammo for the reason you’re having right now.
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Difficult one that mate. All the brands do high end clay loads just depends on how your gun shoots them. Perceived recoil is as unique to guns and shot pattern. One thing I would suggest is for sure treat yourself but don’t save them for comps. Changing to somthing you’re not used to for competitive use cannot improve results surely
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Me personally if I can’t carry it in one trip I’ve got too much. Done the hard slog like a pack mule enough times to have learned it just sickens you more when it’s not a brilliant day and it’s at the back of your mind knowing you have to lug it all back plus Birds. I much prefer the Spartan approach. Get set up quick enjoy the sport, pack up and move spots if needed and can get back to the car easy when I’ve had enough. Might not be as effective but I sure prefer to have a relaxed 20 bird day than a 100 bird day that requires planed logistics
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On 27/03/2021 at 06:29, TIGHTCHOKE said:
I presume you've taken the "Top Pigeon Cartridges" title and are now offering opinion on cartridges for clays as you mention "your respect for the quarry" and that Eley Olympic Blues come in various charges and shot sizes although the largest is 7.5.
On 27/03/2021 at 09:12, the hitman said:No sure what you mean by “respect for the quarry” steering away from cheap as possible mentality clay cartridges for pigeons?
I have shot more pigeons with clay cartridges than any other cartridges.I begin using Winchester trap 100’s, in the 80’s then Eley Olympics . In recent times I have used Primas, trust & Joker cartridges all 28g no 7 or 7.5 - don’t be too quick to dismiss clay loads for pigeons.
I have been using a 30g no 6 load recently and I have to say that I prefer the clay loads for decoying.
Hitman.
no its just a fact that heavier loads of 6 hit harder than 28g of 7.5 thats just physics. what im saying is their has to be some merit to using clay loads IF you shoot allot of clays with a specific cart and gun combo chances are youre going to be more consistant in terms of range/lead estimation and shot placement than a game cartridge that you may not be as familiar with. making arguably more humane kills and less wounding with clay loads. however a few have stated above, "use whatever is avalible and cheapest".
how is just chucking any old cart up at the birds regardless of, shot load, shotsize, speed , pattern, consistancy or familiarity as long as its saving a few quid remotely respectful of quarry?.
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well "best cartridge" is a subjective thing really too many variables and it depends on the shooters needs. strangely enough i use eley pigeon hv have got fantastic results for me since they released and the percived recoil is very good given its a fast 32g load downside is only 1 retailer within reasonable driving distance
ive always been a strong beliver in respect for the quarry so ive stayed away from the "as cheap as possible" mentality and clay loads for pigeons (not to open that can of worms) but i shoot way more clay pigeons than live ones so in terms of familiarlty with a gun and cart combo, olympic blues are way ahead for me and surely that has to cound for somthing right?. plus they pattern great and being £60 per 1k less is nice as price is getting to be a factor the way theve steadly crept up. i think i am going to give them a try and see if i can kill as cleanly and consistantly as i have been with dedicated pigeon loads.
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7 hours ago, Daz65 said:
ok cheers , the reason for the post was i have read some of the reviews and some have said the bag is not tall enough poles fall out ?or might be my french lol
nah theyve probably not colapsed the poles all the way or pushed them down into the canvas/rubber bottom. you have to kind of pry it open a bit when its new as it pretty robust material and its probably been packed flat for months. when poles are at the bottom i assure you they fit with plenty of room
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https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/hunting-hide-carry-bag/_/R-p-180792
i got that along with 4 decathalon hide poles and 4 cross braces. its really good quality. ive also got my bouncer poles and hide gun stand in it with a 1.5x5 rolled up net clipped to the outside of it with the 2 clips on the bottom. the bottom 5 inches is a really tough ruberised canavas or somthing so you dont poke holes in it over time.
decathalon/solognac are now my go to pretty much. ive slowly replaced all my pigeon gear with decathalon stuff becasue most of it is cheaper and better quality than the competition and its all got a 2 year no drama replacment warrenty. Need them to just hurry up and bring out a rotary magnet and some 3 ply stealth nets and im gona look sponsored.
only downside is the gear is heavier than most stuff and i can imagine that can present an issue to the less physically capable among us or those who trek to the hide location.
ive handed jack pyke money for trash for the last time i think. the french have got us totally and utterlly beat on this one it seems
the waterfowl and stalking gear is better than anything in its price range aswell
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Bit of a head scratcher this one for me. With everyone trying to encourage us to prepare for the transition to none toxic cartridges, the way steel drops off energy faster than lead and thats even allot of shooters are now on the fency about its ethics, i thought it was a given that it was also time to transition away from super high birds aswell.
Just seems a bit like a waste of R&D on eleys part bringing out a cartridge aimed at a very small minority of shooters in a world thats got 4 uninterupted covid free seasons if were lucky, 1 or 2 if were not left before its made obsolete by the ban. Top that off with a payload thats pretty much going to obliterate any game shot that isnt a super hight bird, at 425 for 1K i cant see it being a massive hit.
Would of been time and money better spent figuring out how to get steel into a fiber cup and keeping it under £300 for pigeon shooters
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are the decathalon shell decoys any good?.
i know they usually make good gear for the money and the decoys do look good. does anyone know if the shells stack? if they dont it kinda defeats the purpose a bit
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1 hour ago, clangerman said:
if your committing a offence by shooting please explain why cheshire police both left a shooter to continue shooting yesterday and removed a walker who complained about it
never said it was an offence so good job...... i said it should be.
we have closed seasons for all game birds to allow them to recover and to not cause lasting damage that we adhere too. why cant we just adhere to a few weeks to allow people to recover and prevent lasting damage?.
as for the DIY post........ Do we really need a long list of stuff not to do? if your doing a bit painting fine. probably not wise to climb up on the roof....
its infuriating how uncommon common sense is these days. i always wondered why they need to put may contain nuts on a bag of peanuts and do not drink on a bottle of bleach. few in here have answered that for me over the last few pages.
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its the same people who think they have a good reason to be out on the pigeons now, who thought the general licence issue last year didn't apply to them, who will continue to use lead after the ban and will want someone else to blame when someone they love gets ill or they get the ticket revoked.
you just cant get through to that dangerous level of entitlement and selfishness.
the only way unfortunately its to put measures in place for all to contain the minority of stupid. be like the early GL ban. blanket ban until this has passed unless you have an emergency licence applied for by the land owner anyone without one is committing an offence that will make it cut and dry.
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22 minutes ago, Dave-G said:
Post up a link to that if you can please.
Someone seems to have changed their mind or is telling porkies
someone in Durham and north Yorkshire have lost their SGC. reason for revocation apparently is inability or unwilling to follow government guidelines and lack of good judgement.
not very popular i bet with shooters but i support that 100%.
so basically lads and lasses unless you wana risk your hobby, possibly you livelihood or even possibly your life........its very very simple. give it a miss for a few weeks yeah?. we give everything else an off season and we can handle that for months.
use the time to clean your gear, repaint your decoys, plan the next shoot and lets get through it all safe. quickest way to get back to normal
but it also says this.
Shooting for pleasure and/or in groups of two or more will not [be permitted].
dont know if he was alone or not. its all pleasure and pest control, i dont think anyone who doesn't enjoy it shoots pigeons. as with most things regarding shooting its grey and open to interpretation
the police always have the trump card ofthis aswell
"A firearm certificate may be fully revoked by the Chief Officer of Police for the area in which the holder resides if he has reason to believe -
- That the holder is of intemperate habits or unsound mind or is otherwise unfitted to be entrusted with such a firearm"
so if they do take it youre gona need some legal advice to get it back and good luck getting it from BASC as they've already said...
" while BASC recognises the well-documented personal health and mental wellbeing benefits of shooting, the government has not provided specific guidance at present on shooting and BASC, therefore, advises against shooting for non-essential purposes.
It is important the shooting community follows the spirit of the government’s guidance to help limit the spread of the virus and not place any additional burden on our emergency services. We need to not only do the right thing but also be seen to do the right thing."
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5 hours ago, Demonic69 said:
Thank you so much for your concern and offer to pick at the bones of my downfall. I am, however, safely tucked in at home, with the kids and the pooch with no intention of leaving the house outside my allowed exercise session on the bike.
you're right mate that was a bit strong and i apologise. glad to see you are in fact being sensible. i just find it incredibly frustrating that most are missing family and loved ones, struggling with money and all the knock on effects of all this and still are trying to follow advise and tow the line. Then as you say the "im alright jack" crowd continuing to go about business as usual all they are doing is at best prolonging it all and increasing the risk of it getting worse for every single one of us. All for a bit pigeon shooting and imo they are just selfish to the core.
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1 hour ago, Demonic69 said:
I feel like pigeon shooters are doing themselves out of a job/hobby. If you all sit back, high on sanctimony, saying "We need to isolate, we don't need to be out protecting crops" then there's no reason for you to be doing it in the first place. If you lose your access to perms and the right to shoot pigeons it's your own fault. Plenty of moaning about the GL being revoked, but now, at a time when I believe your work to be crucial (this years crops are going to play a huge part in the economy when this is over and done with), you sit back, insulting one another because you don't have the balls to stand up for something you're passionate about? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but Packham and his pals only need to refer to this very forum the next time they want a ban, and you're giving no good reason for them not to get it, permanently.
I don't think sitting in a field, alone, protecting crops is irresponsible. I think that letting important crops fail, when you could/should be helping is irresponsible.
Be realistic. Pigeons arnt capable of failing the harvest nation wide and we as pigeon shooters are not all that stands between the country eating and the country starving. However they are capable of massive damage and if we can show what happens when we don’t shoot for 3 weeks we become more relevant and solid than we ever have. But if you keep going against what the government advise. The recommendations become rules and then we’re all under curfews, lock ins and lock downs. It’s happening. You don’t have to look far to see the next stage to what we have now.
Stay home, be safe, be sensible
if you go out you’re risking yourself and others and you’re prolonging this . Anything can happen to or from your “isolated hide“.... anything. Stop being selfish.
100% valid reason to have tickets revoked, 100% self inflicted and I’d have no issue buying up all your “must go gear” for buttons
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someone in Durham and north Yorkshire have lost their SGC. reason for revocation apparently is inability or unwilling to follow government guidelines and lack of good judgement.
not very popular i bet with shooters but i support that 100%.
so basically lads and lasses unless you wana risk your hobby, possibly you livelihood or even possibly your life........its very very simple. give it a miss for a few weeks yeah?. we give everything else an off season and we can handle that for months.
use the time to clean your gear, repaint your decoys, plan the next shoot and lets get through it all safe. quickest way to get back to normal
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On 10/03/2020 at 16:39, Mr. Merkel said:
No bulges or repairs, just first set of proof marks
can tell you now mate, that has either been imported recently or re proofed you can see some of the original stamps. not to mention that gun hasn't been in production for the last 45 years. not necessarily damaged but possibly refurbed. its a beauty regardless but penny for a pinch of sh... thats been re proofed
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does it have no other proof marks on the barrels? america dont proof mark their shotguns so they get done on import. you should have a few different markings.
the 3200 stopped getting made as far s im aware some time in the early 80s but CIP stamping didnt really take off in the uk until about 1990. and that LP16 stamp is 2016. how long you had the gunmate?. because thats been reproofed to a minimum standard of about (not exact so might be worth contacting london proof) 850 bar. has it been bulged and fixed?
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CIP is the commission Internationale permenente (permanent international commission) its basically a bunch of country's mostly European that agreed on set standards and pressures for small arms and recognise each others proof marks.
the proof marks they use are cip followed by a letter that means something. london and birmingham still use their own proof marks too hence why every gun has about 10 symbols on it now
CIP N is compulsory minimum standard proof
CIP S is Superior
CIP fleur de les is steel proof
CIP PN is black powder
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not somthing ive ever felt i need, but if i was gona camo a gun or any piece of gear id use vet wrap. you can get it in most colours like olive or black may even do a camo version. its basically that stuff they put round horse ankles. a rubberised bandage that clings to itself and not what you wrap. also offers a bit of protection to whatever it wraps. however it might retain water so ill take it of now and then to make sure stuffs not rusting.
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Was interested in picking up a dozen. But with the bag being a canny hefty price and me not wanting more to carry anyway do the shells stack like normal shells?. If not what really is the benefit of them over the full body decoys.
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i honestly wouldnt go getting a barrel reemed out and threaded then re proofed. be cheaper just to buy a cheap beater. the hatsan escort is 3" and performance steel proofed and dirt cheap
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ive got a 3ply 5m stealth net from A1. robust, light, good level of visibility and for me most important it doesn't tangle very much. Army nets were the bane of my life. i wouldn't get too hung up on colour or actual camouflage. your not setting up an SAS OP. as-long as it covers you and breaks up the outline a bit its fine. pigeons will see the hide no problem anyway they just simply haven't got the mental capacity to think "whats in that hide?".
"i think therefore i am" is a bit much for bird brains. anything they cannot see at that time doesn't exist
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steel deforms less than lead when fired so requires allot less choke because it patterns tighter. unless the choke is stamped steel proof dont go above half choke. even then i really wouldn't recommencement it. a half choke on steel will throw something similar to 3/4 to full in lead so its plenty. another rule of thumb is go 2 shot sizes up so if you use 6 go to the size equivalent of lead 4. now it gets tricky. steel shot is sized smaller than lead so a lead 4 is in fact a steel 5.
if you shoot 30g of lead 6, a good pigeon steel load will be something like 32g of steel 5 that will give you roughly the same pellet count and energy per pellet. even then id advise getting a bit of practice in. Not saying steel shoots better or worse than lead(cannot be bothered to get into that again this week) but it is different you definitely need to get used to its velocity curve it seems to start faster than lead then slow down quicker. so close birds need less lead than lead further out need way more. and i think its this not the killing potential that generates hate for steel. People are just not used to its characteristics
short version- if you use a standard 30g of 6 pigeon load- use a steel cartridge stamped 32g of 5. 1/4 choke is plenty at decoying ranges if youre roost shooting wear eye protection steel will bounce. dont shoot anything that says high performance on the box if you cant find the fleur de lys (boy scouts badge) stamped on your barrels. and give it more than a box of cartridges before you write it off as trash
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i buy more than i shoot thats for sure.
if i add it all up and share it all out over the birds ive shot i must be on for about £10-£15 per pigeon.
do i shoot no birds or do i buy loads of stuff?
not brilliant either way
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Ah I see. Sounds daft but ultra sonic cleaners are good. Can get them for about £30 of Amazon and they come in handy for all sorts of gun stuff