clone Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I am a newbie to the airgunning world, but with some research i brought a bsa lighting xl air rifle, I finaly found some land that i got permission to shoot on, so i wonderd down to this field with some targets and spent some time to set up my scope, infact about 2 hours but i finaly got there (about 400 pellets) but my gun has started to sound realy springy, does this mean i have broken somthing or is this just the gun bedded in ? i am unsure, shall i take it to the gun shop ? or am i just being over protective of my new gun? and is it advisable to take the gun apart myself, i had no instuctions with the gun so i am weary about doing this ? and if anyone has the instructions for this gun could they pls post them or e-mail them to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Double check all your screws and bolts on the scope and rifle itself including the grub screw that holds the silencer on and especially the front mounting screws. If this doesn't make any difference I would suggest taking it back to where you bought it to have it checked out or a local "friendly" gunsmith. Do not attempt to take it apart yourself unless you have instructions and know what you are doing you would also need some form of spring compressor as the mainspring is under a lot of tension and you run the risk of damaging yourself and the rifle. Hope this helps, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Hi mate, as its a springer its going to sound like a spring :o but without hearing the noise its hard to say if it should be there oir if there is a problem with it. Most springs will make a twanging noise on shooting it, this can be sorted out by giving the rifle a little bit of a tune either by using a gunsmith, doing ti your self or having a custom job done on it. If your thinking about doing ti yourself it may well be worth having a theoben gas ram put in think they cost about £55 from ben taylor. The Lightening is a very light weight rifle and the XL is a lot nicer than the standard lightening. If you have any doubts about the rifle though take it back to the shop and have a word with them. not a lot of help ROB :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 It was a toss up between the Lightning XL and the HW57. I wish I had got the Xl now as it has a built in silencer!! Very nice gun. Wanna swap? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I certainly wouldnt start pulling the rifle apart if your new to this. The spring hold a considerable amount of tension and without the proper tools, you could end up in trouble. As Rob mentioned, a certain amount of customising and tweaking can make the gun work andsound better. I have an old BSA Meteor that was very twangy and alot of this was removed by applying a good deal of gun grease to the spring. Based on the fact its new, I would return to your local shop and get them to have a look at it. Again without hearing it we can't possibly advise you. I shouldnt think you have broken anything but its well worth getting profesional advice. Regards, Axce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 have taken your advise guys and took it to my local gunsmith, he says that i just need to regrease the spring, but as i sent it with a m8 of mine he didnt leave it for him to do which is a shame but none the less i shall get it done, but whats the best grease to use?:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I was recomended to use Bisley Gun Grease on my Meteor, it does the job nicely. If you have a user manual you might want to check it first though. Its a pitty your mate didnt buy a tub of recommended grease from the gun shop. Regards, Axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 What you want to do with the rifle is giove it a nice tune up , quietns the spring down and smothes the action out. As for which is the best to do it yourself, there a couple of decent ones out there probably the best is molygrease from webley, if its good enough for a venom tune its good enough for a home tune :o One hting you should bear in mind most greases will bounce off the aspring after a period of time (usually a couple of years if done properly) It all depends on how much your willing to part with. there are four basic options for you to think about. 1. do the work yourself, cheapest option but could be a loit more expensive if you damage the rifle or yourself stripping and reasembling it. 2. local gunsmith, have him to give it a nice tune up. (though there no telling on how good the job would be or how loing it would last, before it started making a noise again) 3. theben gas ram fitted, probably best to get ben taylor to do this for you so wopuld involve either sending the rifle off to have the work done or taking it there in person. again the cost of this is opne off as the gas ram will far out live the rifle with no funny noises on shooting it. 4. the most expensive option would be to send the rifle of top venom custom house, costs about £150 for a rifle to be tuned. The same aplies as to the gas ram its unlikly you will ever need to have it tuned again. I thnk my personal choice would be to have the gas ram fitted as there is no maintenace needed for the rifles internals after this job has been done, and it shortens the lock time. hope this helps you out a little ROB :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) ok found the problem, when my mate brought the rifle back we were looking into how to dismantle the rifle when we found 2x cracks just behind the trigger (1 either side) so one way or another its gotta go back to the Air Gun Centre as i am sure that after a month and less than 500 pellets the stock shouldn't do this Edited August 1, 2005 by clone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 ok found the problem, when my mate brought the rifle back we were looking into how to dismantle the rifle when we found 2x cracks just behind the trigger (1 either side) so one way or another its gotta go back to the Air Gun Centre as i am sure that after a month and less than 500 pellets the stock shouldn't do this At least you found the problem, what a ******* though. Hope it is sorted a.s.a.p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Clone, its pitty that they did not find these cracks!!! Just need to regrease...huh! I for one certainly wouldnt be happy. If your strong enough you might even get a little compensation, go for an upgrade :o Regards, Axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 spoke to the guy at the Air Gun Centre and he told me that the damage was caused by me/someone when firing the gun when in the cocked possition, I havent done this but where do i stand if they refuse to carry out the repairs under the warranty i have some pics uploaded here www.spacedkadet.com/john/ that show the damage to my rifle, they are poor due to the only camera i had wwas on my mobile but they do show the damage clearly pics here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 (edited) have to say i would agree with what you have been told, it looks like its been fired when the rifle has been cocked. There really isnt a lot of come back on the shop about this problem as if it had been there when sold you would have noticed it straight away or at least got a splinter from it when shooting and noticed it then. So as its the users fault (owners) there is no come back on the shop. Imagine you bought a VCR from a shop and tried to modify it to talke the old betamax vids there is nothing the shop could do under warentee as you ******** it up yourself. (sorry not a nice way opf putting it) assuming it still shots accuratly and hasnt bent the barel up it may be a simple case (though expensive) to get another stock and have the rifle tuned up by a gunsmith. Unless the airgun centre still of the anual service? have to say who ever did this to your rifle got off very lightly! have seen a riofle do seriosue damage to the shooter when this has happend before. it just shows the importance of keeping hold of the barrel at all times expecting it to slam up for no apparent reason. If i see any one not holding the barrel/underlever when cocking at the club i give the a sever ####ing! not becasue i dont want to see them damage the rifle, but becasue in three years at the club the most seriouse injury has been where the head of a drawing piun pushed thru into sombodys thumb LOL (we thought it was funny but for soem reason he didnt LOL). as for the stock problem, you mayu have a bit of luck if you call BSA and catch them on a good day, just explain what has happend and try asking if they have any second quality stocks you could have cheap. hope thuis helps you out ROB PS it may be possoible to fix the stock yourself and might he an idea to put a post up in the general shooting section about this as it is a general rifle and not a specific air rifle question Edited August 2, 2005 by roblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 But as i said it has never been fired in the cocking position, and i am the only person to have the gun, when i cock the gun i always lock the trigger and then unlock when i am going to fire - so in this instance why should i loose out? why should i have to pay again for another rifle or a repair to a rifle that as far as i am concerned i have not broken ? is that fair ? i can understand the gun shops position, and fair enough if i had broken the gun then i would expect to pay whats the posibility of a faulty stock on the rifle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) I don't know what sort of damage might appear by firing the gun cocked but it certainly looks like its had some pressure put throlught it. Either way I understand your position and would want to seek compensation too. It could be possible that the stock is faulty. I think your best bet is to write a well worded letter to your gun shop. Make sure you don't start pointing fingers and explain firmly of the problem and exactly what you want to be done about it. It might be an idea to speak directly to BSA. They may well ask for the rifle to be sent back, for examination and testing. Theres always a chance they will take pity and replace the stock, but be prepared of the different outcomes that may occur. Remember, be firm but fair, shouting and screaming doesnt get anybody anywhere, especially in a situation like this. I hope you find an amicable solution. Regards, Axe. Edited August 3, 2005 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 have taken your advise guys and took it to my local gunsmith, he says that i just need to regrease the spring, but as i sent it with a m8 of mine he didnt leave it for him to do which is a shame but none the less i shall get it done, but whats the best grease to use? would it be at all possible your mate had a look at it and tried to sort the probelm out for you? Its possible he could have unknowingly made it a lot worse The reason i ask this, as its unlikly that a competant gunsmith would have missed this fault when your mate took it into the gun shop for his advise Have to say though i wouldnt hold out much hope of getting anywhere with the retailer, as it really does look like the fault of the shooter. A crack in the stock of that size would have been noticed by you as soon as it came out of the box. Like i said even if you didnt notice it, you would have felt it when shooting it as its right where your finger would rub against it when coming up on aim. The first thing i do to a rifle when i get it in my hands is look for any dents in the stock, as if i have bought it new i want something that is new. If theres an airgun club close to where you live it may well be worth your while popping along there and having somebody there have a look at it for you, it is posisble that it is a flaw in the wood as that is the weakest part of the rifle. Have just checked out the airgun centre web page and they do still offer the free repair/servicing on rifles bought from them. (though i think there are terms and conditions atached to this) this is what worries me most as your first question was basicaly on how to do a serives on your rifle yourself. Would have thought the main reason you bought the rifle from the airgun centre in the first place was to remove the worry about having to pay for servicing your rifle in the future. as i said though i think you best plan of action is to contact BSA and see oif they have any second quality stocks that they would be willing to let you purchase, as i cant see you getting anywhere with the airgun centre ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 On that rifle surely firing it while the barrel wasn't locked up would bend the barrel if so and if there is no barrel damage you could try that angle with them. Failing that I know someone has said that ranting and raving in a shop gets you no where well not always so as a last resort you could try it otherwise I am hopeing that the airguncentre are good guys and that they would try and sort someting out for you? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Boy Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Being an ex-cabinet maker, if you get yourself a squeezy bottle with a small tip, fill it with pva wood glue, apply slight pressure to the stock to open up the crack and squeeze like mad on the glue bottle... Allowing as much glue as possible to go into the crack. apply opposite pressure once this is complete to close up the crack and wipe off any exess glue. Leave the gun in a position where the gap is pressured into closing and leave it to dry overnight. This will give a joint stronger than the wood itself and should give you no more problems... It will crack else where before it cracks along the glue joint.. If you do it properly you shouldnt be able to see the crack and the gun should function as new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 well thanks for your replys you are a bunch of good guys, the gun is on its way back to the airgun centre as i type i am hoping that the problem can be resolved easily and not get messy, tbh when i was in the process of ordering the gun the blokes down there seem to be pretty helpfull and i am sure that we can resolve the situation without any further problems only time will tell, thats all i can say I will keep you posted as things happen or dont happen but i will stick to my guns, as i know that the gun hasnt been fired in the cocked position and i feel that the damage has been done by a faulty stock, the splits dont start by the screw holes (which i imagine that they would if firing when cocked due to this being the point that would take the most strain) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 link to pic of a broken springr stock, think that might work but its my rirst time trying so it probably wont work LOL note the break is in almost the same place as your problem ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 link to pic of a broken springr stock, OUCH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 right time to inform you of the progress on my rifle problems, As suspected they say the damage to my rifle has been caused by firing in the cocked position, i am still claiming my innosence to this as I have not fired it this way However after a lengthy discussion with the airgun centre we hit a compramise i paid cost for the stock @ £35 then he paid to have the barrel straightend @£:unsure:?:yp: Which is not the solution that i wanted but however it seemed cheap enough and as niether of us were willing to accept resonsability for the damage to the gun it seemed a good compramise and it started of a little shirty but ended up good in the end and just a note to anyone who is thinking of buying a new gun goto The Airgun Centre even with all the problems that i have had they have come across as a resonable company with the customers interests at heart, and plenty of experience i am happy with there service and should i buy the better half a gun i will have no doubt about going there to buy it so not all bad in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Do you think the barrel was bent though? normally with that sort of damage you can see it did you put a straight edge on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I think £35 for a new stock is bloody good! least its better than trying to get the barrel sorted out yourself and still havign to buy the stock ;)personaly though think you were lucky you caught the airguncentre on a good day. all the best ROB :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clone Posted August 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 personaly no i didnt think the barrel was bent however i didnt have a straight edge to test it, and tbh the airgun centre would have no reason to lie as if it wasnt bent they could send it back to bsa and they would havve fixed it at no charge to anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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