Brad93 Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Hi all. New to shotguns so bit worried about this as im not sure it was happening the other week When the gun is opened or closed the cartridge in the bottom barrel scrapes the reciever just above and below the bottom hammer as if its not being pulled in far enough by the extractors? Is this a problem and should i take it down the dealer or am i just being paranoid? I can post pictures if nessasary showing the cartridge and where its making contact. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 (edited) Hi all. New to shotguns so bit worried about this as im not sure it was happening the other week When the gun is opened or closed the cartridge in the bottom barrel scrapes the reciever just above and below the bottom hammer as if its not being pulled in far enough by the extractors? Is this a problem and should i take it down the dealer or am i just being paranoid? I can post pictures if nessasary showing the cartridge and where its making contact. Thanks in advance I had this happen on a brand new Browning 525, seen by me, my instructor and the salesman (You don't say what gun you have?). After a check by Browning (Who said there was nothing wrong!) it is now fine - the general concensus from the shop is that maybe the ejector was fouled by wax/swarf etc. If it is a new gun, have you cleaned all the wax off the barrels etc and fully oiled the ejectors? If it is an old gun, some careful oiling/checking of the ejector mechanism for free movement could be all you need. if not, maybe a check by a gunsmith would be in order. Good luck Edited July 24, 2010 by Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted July 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Hey there. Its a beretta silver pigeon S 12 gauge. I've only just noticed it and the gun has fired less than 60 shots, looking back at some empty carts some don't have it from a couple of weeks back. Wheteher they were carts from the top barrel or it wasn;t happening then it seems it would be best to take it back to the dealer. Cheers for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted July 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Anyone else know of a solution? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 If you bought it new then back to the dealer. Shouldn't have problems with a new gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Once had this on a new lanber and the dealer found the bottom ejector was bent due to a piece of swarf stuck behind it,the bottom cartridge would hit before the gun closed causing the cartridge rims to catch and bend the ejector was well bent so they changed the gun for a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Just rang a friend on this one and he says some eley cartridges have been catching in his browning just lately, some of the brass has been very tight in the chamber he had a batch where the cartridge had a small nick in the brass causing the gun to force them into the chamber and bending the rim, he got 300 exchanged, you might need to check this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Cheers guys guess i'll take the gun and remaining carts back to the dealer. This problem has only just arisen and seemed to be getting worse. I have sprayed some napier oil down the ejectors and they've free'd up abit but the carrtridge is still catching. BTW the gun is new only two and a bit weeks old Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 A friend said his did it abit a first but not as badly as mine does Its got a warranty so it will be going back to the shop tommorow Don't want to be parted with it really though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Well the gun got sent back to beretta and was returned in three weeks with the problem sorted. However after putting a 100 cartridges through it over the weekend the problem has seemed to develop again if ever so slightly not as bad. So people know what i mean im including some pictures and a video of what is going on The gun is now difficult to close again and a scraping sensation can be felt Heres what was happening to the RC cartridges Gun got sent off and repaired Heres what is now happening with Eley cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 :blink: That looks like the timings out on the ejectors the ejector on mine is home before I close it this far,take it back and tell them your not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Okay will be giving them a ring tommorow. It has already been back once for this reason. I brought a beretta because all i had heard had been good reports! oh well guess its just a duff one Just seen ive taken pics of top ejector will take from over side :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Okay will be giving them a ring tommorow. It has already been back once for this reason. I brought a beretta because all i had heard had been good reports! oh well guess its just a duff one Just seen ive taken pics of top ejector will take from over side :blink: Dont be put off Ive owned roughly 15 berettas over the years and only ever had a problem where a 687 broke a firing pin,I still own 2 berettas and no bother with them,I would have had this back for another gun and wouldnt accept another repair on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 This is perfectly normal and very common on a Beretta guys so don`t worry, it`s the way they are made. A new gun is very tight and if the cartridges are a bit oversize as they often are you will get that but it`s ok. The face of the receiver is a lot harder than the cartridge. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 The face of the receiver is a lot harder than the cartridge. :blink: Yes but it seems a load of swarf from the scraped carts is travelling down the hammer holes. I will ring the shop tommorow and see what they think. I dont want to void the warranty because i didnt report a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 There is a push fit between cart and breech on my beretta but no rubbing just a brass mark on the face. Having said that it can be the the text cut on the ejectors in new guns as this rubs. Take out the ejectors and run a fine whetstone over the face that rubs the mono block clean oil and replace. Very little needed just a couple of rubs on the text. That's what o have been told anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Hey guys just noticed something else on the gun which im pretty sure is not supposed to happen. On one of the pins (not sure of name; breech pin maybe) there is a large gouge which look like it has been caused by the ejector. I've had a closer look and it appears they are not getting brought in fully when the top lever is being pulled over into the locked back position to open the gun. Has anyone else suffered this? I will wait for feedback and ring the shop later on. Never noticed this on any other o/u Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 To be honest I would just get out and use it! Go and fire 500 carts through it tomorrow to wear things in and forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted September 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 To be honest I would just get out and use it! Go and fire 500 carts through it tomorrow to wear things in and forget about it. I am going after the clays so that'll be another 100 or so. should make the total to around 350 carts through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 The grove in the bolt you photographed is probably caused when the opening lever is not fully opened and it can return to the closed position then the ejectors push in the bolt as the gun closes. Happens on mine occasionally but I have to say I can't see much in the pics to worry about. Enjoy it it'll be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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