Shotgun re-loading supplies around East Yorks?

[luvbus]

Is there a supplier of shotgun cartridge re-loading components in/near to East Yorkshire?

 

I realise there are mail order suppliers but ideally I would like to discuss what I need for my requirements FTF as I am (obviously) new to re-loading.

 

Ta,

 

Rich

[Guest cookoff013]

get a good book, you`d be supprised how back dated some information is. it is overwhelming to start with.

hopefully you have some knowlege of shotguns? there is alot of data out there, working out your requirements is the hard part.

 

good luck, i researched for about a year before i took the plunge! are you reloading nontoxic?

[Floating Chamber]

Is there a supplier of shotgun cartridge re-loading components in/near to East Yorkshire?

 

I realise there are mail order suppliers but ideally I would like to discuss what I need for my requirements FTF as I am (obviously) new to re-loading.

 

Ta,

 

Rich

 

Do you wish to copy what shells you are using? List them.

[luvbus]

Initially I would like to re-load some .410 carts partly due to cost but more out of interest. After reading a number of topics/posts on here I have made tools for c/o primers and a scriving tool to open the 'neck' up to ease inserting wads.

 

The next step it to obtain the necessary components and powders and advice to re-load some cases (and a roll turn over tool) hence the preference to talk to someone face to face to make sure I get suitable and compatible consumables and recipes.

 

Having a moderated .410 I would also like to have a go at some subsonic carts as I understand the off the shelf ones can have mixed results (I have not as yet tried them myself).

 

If I make a success of reloading the .410 I plan to move on to getting a suitable press for doing non toxic in 12g for next year.

 

Thanks for the replies,

 

Rich

[luvbus]

cookoff013,

 

I have been reading with interest some of your posts regarding steel pigeon/game/wildfowl loads and the direction you are suggesting of lighter loads/shot size but at a higher velocity to impart the required force to the target. How have your experiments been going?

 

I have taken up wild-fowling this year and have ended up with steel carts that I feel are not particularly suitable for my requirements (duck shooting). After reading up a bit & taking advice, I went up a shot size from 5 to 4 (lead to steel) and also made the mistake of getting euro No4's so I have ended up with steel shot 3.3mm dia which does seem rather large (between no3 & 2 in lead) for duck and I imagine a somewhat spread out pattern due to the low shot count (I do appreciate there are more steel shot/gm than lead). I am beginning to think smaller steel shot in a higher density pattern traveling at a higher velocity would suit my needs better.

 

Rich

[Guest cookoff013]

steel shot needs to be shot fast. it needs more energy, more energy is speed. the only way to get that is to use lots of powder, and lower the shot mass. but you will stick to proven recipes. i cant tell you more than enough, stick to the recipes that you see.

the americans will always be better at ballistics than us, because their industry is faster. they have less ammo restrictions than us.

 

my criteria for wildfowl is fast 1`s and fast 4`s. i`ve been developing a steel pigeon load, i just need to burn of 5k before i`m sold on the idea.

my idea in thinking that 40yards is the maximum distance i`ll be shooting at, so steel was the cheap option.

 

what you have experienced, in buying those cartridges, is a steep learning curve, the comercial cartridges are really slow. which means every piece of shot has less energy. not only that, steel looses the energy faster, so its not ideal. the speed restriction is imposed by the cip, and cartridge manufacturers have a self imposed limit.

 

fast steel isnt the best option either, but it is 1800fps just to overcome the 35-40yards and still have energy.

big steel like t and f shot can be shot slow, but close, thats like being hit with a freight train !

 

i think the story on steel is unfolding, big steel loads will be in the past. i`m not really doubting the performance of 1.5oz of TTT shot, it will destroy anything in range. but an afternoon of that and i`d need a new shoulder, i`m not a wimp, but 3" 2oz loads are unpleasent.

 

5/8oz of 5 steel is the same shotcount as 1,1/8oz lead 6. so thats not an issue the shotcount. originally lots of duck were getting shot and it wasnt penetrating. (they were hitting the target.) 30g #6 or 5 is a classic duck load in lead. (or so i`m told, i`ve never used lead.)

 

having fast steel gives us the option of smaller pellets (within reason) better / more dense patterns. - intern will mean better performance.

 

bigger shot needs to be in a good strong shotcup. there are some shotcup wads that have a shot size limit.

smaller shot can often be better, more shot, better patterns, better range. (not thats an excuse)

 

when you first load your very first cartridge, you will be sceptical, when you shoot it you`ll be sold. shot selection is important, but with the extra performance of added velosity, the need for big shotsizes is over.

 

shame you dont live closer.

[Guest cookoff013]

i suspect steel patterns so well due to these 2 main factors.

the shotcount per oz is way higher, longer shotstrings. lead is soft and is easily deformed.

instead of complaining about these, i`m using it to my advantage.

lead cant be shot faster than 1500fps. the sport cartridges have upto 10% antomony in the lead just to stop it flattening.

steel is rock hard and actually is blended to make it as soft as it is.

 

certainly you will have fun, i have great fun just reloading.

[luvbus]

steel shot needs to be shot fast. it needs more energy, more energy is speed. the only way to get that is to use lots of powder, and lower the shot mass. but you will stick to proven recipes. i cant tell you more than enough, stick to the recipes that you see.

the americans will always be better at ballistics than us, because their industry is faster. they have less ammo restrictions than us.

 

I certainly will not be 'teasing the tiger' by trying my own concoctions but does it mean I should be looking for a recent American loading book for suitable recipes along the lines of this new thinking, can you recommend a suitable publication?

 

what you have experienced, in buying those cartridges, is a steep learning curve, the comercial cartridges are really slow. which means every piece of shot has less energy. not only that, steel looses the energy faster, so its not ideal. the speed restriction is imposed by the cip, and cartridge manufacturers have a self imposed limit.

 

Are home loads not restricted by cip/industry guidelines?

 

fast steel isnt the best option either, but it is 1800fps just to overcome the 35-40yards and still have energy.

big steel like t and f shot can be shot slow, but close, thats like being hit with a freight train !

 

Is home loading of more exotic shot types cost effective or is it the shot itself that dictates the cost rather than economies of scale in commercially available carts?

 

having fast steel gives us the option of smaller pellets (within reason) better / more dense patterns. - intern will mean better performance.

 

For me this is the area that appeals, a much denser (or longer) shot cloud of much faster smaller shot. Much like a number of .177 airgun pellets as opposed to one or two .22's.

[luvbus]

when you first load your very first cartridge, you will be sceptical, when you shoot it you`ll be sold. shot selection is important, but with the extra performance of added velosity, the need for big shotsizes is over.

 

I am looking forward to having a go, it seems to be a very interesting pastime in its own right but obviously treated with the respect it deserves.

 

In high velocity pigeon loads you are working on, do they produce a louder report than a standard cart? Do you need to take barrel length in to account when choosing recipes?

 

shame you dont live closer.

 

The rig I work on spent a number of Years off the Norfolk coast with a crew change out of Norwich, that would have made a visit to Clay & Game or a trip to Suffolk to pick your brains easy, unfortunately it's over in Holland at the moment!!

 

Thanks for the input & insights,

 

Rich

[Guest cookoff013]

can you recommend a suitable publication?

-lyman 5th shotshell reloading guide. this is slightly outdated, it is 5 years old. new shot has come out and more powders are produced.

although the right ideas are there, but only half way. the rsi status of steel, is a good book, for very high steel performance.

 

Are home loads not restricted by cip/industry guidelines?

-some guidelines, yes, others no, you can produce velocity that exceeds the cip mandate. 1400 is the maximum aloud for a comercial manufacturer, to be sold in the uk.

 

Is home loading of more exotic shot types cost effective or is it the shot itself that dictates the cost rather than economies of scale in commercially available carts?

- depends if you use that shot type exclusively. this is more to do with economics than performance. as soon as you buy shot theres no point wasting it because its too expensive to shoot. burn em off.

 

In high velocity pigeon loads you are working on, do they produce a louder report than a standard cart? Do you need to take barrel length in to account when choosing recipes?

-dont know about muzzle report, i shoot with electronic muffs, barrel length doesnt come in to it as all shotguns must be 24" or more.

 

unfortunately it's over in Holland at the moment!!

- enjoy the mayonnaise and chips

 

really reloading isnt cost effective, but is value for money when you think about, the 1k shotgun, waders, permit, petrol, food for the day,.. etc is more expensive than the 15-20p cartridge.

[luvbus]

I have seen a number of recommendations for 'The Lyman Shotshell Reloading guide' & 'The Status of Steel' on other sites so I will take your advice and get them ordered (I did do some searches for available PDF's but had no luck!!).

 

After spending some time doing some research into loading presses it seems the basic Lee Loadall 2 is getting a lot of votes over more expensive presses for wildfowl/steel loading as shot & powder charges should be weighed/counted rather than use the in built delivery systems of a press.

 

Would you agree with this or is a MEC or equivalent press the better option in your mind?

 

To me the pursuit of performance or unusual loads would be the main aim for loading my own shells, the monetary saving are just an added benefit!!

 

Thanks again for your help,

 

Rich

[Guest cookoff013]

I have seen a number of recommendations for 'The Lyman Shotshell Reloading guide' & 'The Status of Steel' on other sites so I will take your advice and get them ordered (I did do some searches for available PDF's but had no luck!!).

 

After spending some time doing some research into loading presses it seems the basic Lee Loadall 2 is getting a lot of votes over more expensive presses for wildfowl/steel loading as shot & powder charges should be weighed/counted rather than use the in built delivery systems of a press.

 

Would you agree with this or is a MEC or equivalent press the better option in your mind?

 

To me the pursuit of performance or unusual loads would be the main aim for loading my own shells, the monetary saving are just an added benefit!!

 

Thanks again for your help,

 

Rich

 

the lee loadall isnt the best choice for loading. i got the mec, because they are ******* awsome. the lee loadall is a cheap way of starting reloading. i`d recomend getting a digital (or accurate scale with "grains")

[luvbus]

i got the mec, because they are ******* awsome.

 

 

Guess you can't get a much better recommendation than that!!

 

I have already bought a digital scale with grains so I have that covered.

 

I will get the books ordered, then I can see a trip down to Clay & Game on the cards to get some gear!

 

Cheers,

 

Rich

[Guest cookoff013]

have a word with ian, at clay and game. discuss what you are shooting and with what (shotgun).

he`ll be helpful.

[casts_by_fly]

Rich,

 

As to the original Q, Duncans in Hull has the most very basic stuff (some powder, some primers, etc). York guns has a little more. Past that you're talking about mail order. About the only stuff I'd buy locally is primer and powder, and only if a place within a 2 hour drive didn't have them.

 

Thanks

Rick

[luvbus]

Rich,

 

As to the original Q, Duncans in Hull has the most very basic stuff (some powder, some primers, etc). York guns has a little more. Past that you're talking about mail order. About the only stuff I'd buy locally is primer and powder, and only if a place within a 2 hour drive didn't have them.

 

Thanks

Rick

 

 

Thanks for that Rick,

 

Powder and primers are the main items id like to get locally, the rest is an easy mail order. I had not thought of Duncans, in fact I thought it had closed!

 

Out of interest, have you used Henry Krank in Leeds as they seem to stock quite a bit?

 

Cheers,

 

Rich

[casts_by_fly]

nope. never been there. I don't reload shotgun, just rifle, and not much of it.

 

Thanks

Rick