vmax55 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Like I said, some prefer heavy guns, I don't, such is life. Lets be clear, I didn't say they were less accurate, I said they were a monstrous lump to carry around! As a matter of interest statements such as that highlighted above always intrigue me, on what basis and WHY would a field rimfire used for field work be more accurate in the field with a heavy barrel? I have never heard anyone say their heavy barrel is more accurate for general field work, why would it be and on what basis would anyone say that, how could it be measured and what is wrong with normal barrel accuracy, I have never heard of anyone changing their field tool to a heavy barrel because their light barrel isn't accurate! Some just like the feel of heavy tools and on that basis they may shoot them more accurately, some, like me, prefer light tools and shoot them very accurately. I will more than happily put up against anyone with a heavy barrel field rimfire (CZ or Savage as talked about here) and dispel this myth once and for all! ATB! Edit Form an orderly queue to put me in my place if you think you can do better with your Heavy Barrel Field rimfire than this, achieved with the Less accurate, apparently, light barrel.... ATB! (4 shots, 100yards HMR) it's all very well and good showing this grouping but you were on about the accuracy of a heavy barrel over a standard barrel in the field. so how is showing a grouping got anything to do with field shooting?? and how does it prove the accuracy issue?? lets just think how long it took you to shoot that group compared with how long it takes to squeeze off a round at quarry. theres a big differnce. grouping dosent really come into field shooting wotsoever as its the one shot that counts not the 3rd or 5th so being able to shoot a good group is only a small part of it. nice group tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Thanks to all for your replies and knowledge on this subject and to those that have said i can come and have a look at theres,i shall be asking if i can have a look at a couple of them over the next couple of weeks. I think i have made my mind up if the funds allow and i like the feel it will be the anschutz,so on that note does anybody know who is doing the best deal on the Thumbhole Anschutz,also what is the turn round time on variations in the West Midlands? Thanks again Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Dekers, the point I was making was not that a varmint short heavy barrel is anymore accurate but a heavier gun in general. Personnally I like a heavier gun within reason,especially on sticks in the field. We can all use bipods and beanbags and get little groups with enough practice but out in the field is a differant ball game, I don't like bipods unless shooting off a vehicle because the low angle and find sticks ideal. As for the weight of the CZ Varmint, after a long stalk with the Remington 700 with wildcat,the CZ feels like a feather. but alas it horses for courses eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 it's all very well and good showing this grouping but you were on about the accuracy of a heavy barrel over a standard barrel in the field. so how is showing a grouping got anything to do with field shooting?? and how does it prove the accuracy issue?? lets just think how long it took you to shoot that group compared with how long it takes to squeeze off a round at quarry. theres a big differnce. grouping dosent really come into field shooting wotsoever as its the one shot that counts not the 3rd or 5th so being able to shoot a good group is only a small part of it. nice group tho I was simply making reference to the accuracy of the barrel compared to a heavy barrel, this makes no difference in the field, where all the other factores come in and effect both in a similar fashion. I majored on the field side so as not to bring in anybody saying...but when I shoot 100 quickly on the range the heavey barrel will be better. Yep, it's a good group, it was shot on a farm and is simply an illustration of the tools accuracy! Unfortunately the groups are not always like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Dekers, the point I was making was not that a varmint short heavy barrel is anymore accurate but a heavier gun in general. Personnally I like a heavier gun within reason,especially on sticks in the field. We can all use bipods and beanbags and get little groups with enough practice but out in the field is a differant ball game, I don't like bipods unless shooting off a vehicle because the low angle and find sticks ideal. As for the weight of the CZ Varmint, after a long stalk with the Remington 700 with wildcat,the CZ feels like a feather. but alas it horses for courses eh. Horses for courses indeed, as I have said some favour heavy barrels (guns) and some don't. You, and certainly many others like them heavy, and potentially shoot well with them, that doesn't make them more accurate. I shoot better in the field with lighter guns, but I do not suggest they are more accurate, and the point I was making was about the guns accuracy, this makes no difference when comparing different rifles in like for like conditions! ATB! PS My 700SPS Stainless in .308, including Scope, mounts, moderator, bolt, sling, full floorplate AND Harris 12-25s Bipod weighs 5040g (about 11.1lb). My CZ HMR including scope, mounts, moderator, bolt, full 5 shot metal mag AND Harris 12-25s Bipod weighs 4539g (about 10.1lb) As checked historically by me on Salter Electronic 1036WHSSDR Scales. ATB! Cheers PPS As a matter of interest my .22lr weighs 4170g on the same basis as above (lighter scope, mod and shorter barrel) and my .22WMR weights 4265g on the same basis (wooden stock). Take off 530g (about1.1lb) in every case without the bipod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I have the savage and I rate it highly, looks the business and will easily out shoot you, the trigger is fully adjustable, magazine is a bit annoying to release because of the tang. But mine has loosened up and I am used to it. As for the weight - I am not a whimp and march over miles in a session, so to be honest the difference in negligable! As for the czs, my pal has 1 and it doesn't work for me, too short in the stock & I can't be bothered with having to alter triggers on a brand new gun! (have you changed yours Deekers?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I was simply making reference to the accuracy of the barrel compared to a heavy barrel, this makes no difference in the field, where all the other factores come in and effect both in a similar fashion. I majored on the field side so as not to bring in anybody saying...but when I shoot 100 quickly on the range the heavey barrel will be better. Yep, it's a good group, it was shot on a farm and is simply an illustration of the tools accuracy! Unfortunately the groups are not always like that! i agree with what your saying dekers just giving an opion is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Us boys up the forest like our guns like we like our women,something ya can get hold of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Us boys up the forest like our guns like we like our women,something ya can get hold of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I have the savage and I rate it highly, looks the business and will easily out shoot you, the trigger is fully adjustable, magazine is a bit annoying to release because of the tang. But mine has loosened up and I am used to it. As for the weight - I am not a whimp and march over miles in a session, so to be honest the difference in negligable! As for the czs, my pal has 1 and it doesn't work for me, too short in the stock & I can't be bothered with having to alter triggers on a brand new gun! (have you changed yours Deekers?) My .22lr and my last WMR were factory CZ triggers and were/are perfectly ok. MY HMR was terrible out of the box and got one of Erics immediately, my latest WMR was not great, but much better than the HMR, so that got the Eric treatment as well. My lad has the Style, he is happy with the trigger but I have known better! Seems really strange on the CZ rimfires, some triggers are fine and some terrible. I got my kits direct, the first was about £8.85 including delivery, the second was a bit more, probably the best and cheapest "accessory" available for any gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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