Guest jonrms Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have heard that you can modify it so it runs precharged.. and connects to a bottle. I know there will be valve work to be done. and I dont want to spoil the look of the gun so any ideas or professionals who I can turn to .. to get this conversion done? I want it to run at 12 or 11.5 200bar Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Hi, Yes you will need a whole new valve set up, which will have to have 2 springs. You need the hammer spring, and the main valve spring adjustable to bring down the velocity. When building airguns, its very difficult usually to bring them down to legal power, and keep it consitant.. Youl need somone to build a whole adaptor etc for it too. So your looking at around 250 pounds to convert that! then run it off a tiny buddy bottle. Have you looked into an Airsource converter? so you can run it off these larger capacity co2 bottles rather then hundreds of co2 powerlets a day. That semi will seriously guzzle them and it wont be cheap :thumbs: 50-60 shots will go very quickly. I have a rabbitstopper that eats a powerlet every 25 shots at legal power.. even with TR robb engineered parts. Can be a big nuisance changing it over, but I always bag something with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hi, Yes you will need a whole new valve set up, which will have to have 2 springs. You need the hammer spring, and the main valve spring adjustable to bring down the velocity. When building airguns, its very difficult usually to bring them down to legal power, and keep it consitant.. Youl need somone to build a whole adaptor etc for it too. So your looking at around 250 pounds to convert that! then run it off a tiny buddy bottle. Have you looked into an Airsource converter? so you can run it off these larger capacity co2 bottles rather then hundreds of co2 powerlets a day. That semi will seriously guzzle them and it wont be cheap :thumbs: 50-60 shots will go very quickly. I have a rabbitstopper that eats a powerlet every 25 shots at legal power.. even with TR robb engineered parts. Can be a big nuisance changing it over, but I always bag something with it. Hunter, No I havnt looked into the airsource converter.. the problem is on this rifle that inside the mag sits a unit made for a co2 capsul and it also holds the bb's .. so I want to try to find a way of either removing the cleaning tool kit below the barrel and having that as a power source.. then keeping the mag just for bb/ or conver to pellet 1.77. I will have to have a good look but need someone who knows what there doing to help/ engineer it. I dont mind paying 250 for this conversion to be done. I have always wanted one and now own one!!!! so me splashing out to make it the perfect rifle will not be a issue.. just need skilled people to do the work which i cant. lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I doubt you can convert it to fire 177's if its got a BB magazine, as the whole feed system is completley different. I would do it for you, but my machines are not yet here. Im waiting for a lathe and milling machine to arrive. Should be good for making gun bits, threading barrels etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I know it can be done.. just found this but my dutch is rubbish... see below it was take from this site... see. http://www.co2air.de/wbb2/thread.php?threa...htuser=0&page=3 Ich wollte es Euich nur wissen lassen: Eben habe ich noch einmal eine Mail von den Jungs aus England bekommen: > Thank you for your mail. > In brief, the work required for the upgrades is as follows: > a. Pre Charge 11 ft/lb requires a new modified AK Magazine housing (supplied > by us), a new Pre Charge canister and magazine .177 calibre - all supplied > by us. > > b. The standard Co2 Valve Unit 6 ft/lb upgrade - we require the original > valve unit and preferably the air rifle sent to us ( this ensures correct > matching and alignment of the seal to barrel. The unit fits into the > original Yunker magazine. > > Delivery time is currently 14 days from receipt of order ex-works. > > We can accept Mastercard for payments. > > We will also send you price for delivery acording to your shipping > requoirements (eg 24 hours, 48 hours or 3-5day etc). > > Many thanks. > > BR // Phill Wayer So, jetzt wissen wir wieder ein bißchen mehr. Was meint Ihr ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Yeh your dutch must be VERY BAD, as thats German Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 :*) oops the only english I could understand on the page said (DUTCH) so I am sooo bad... :*) but who is this english person doing the conversions.... more research required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Think I cracked it.. a company here in the uk does upgrades for this supposeably.. see below Yeah, I reckon it would scare them I've heard they're not too powerful, but kalashnikov.us can fit a 11ft/lbs upgrade using a PCP bottle instead of Co2... that might be interesting! David. Found that on a post in another forum.. how cool is this........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Think I cracked it.. a company here in the uk does upgrades for this supposeably.. see below Yeah, I reckon it would scare them I've heard they're not too powerful, but kalashnikov.us can fit a 11ft/lbs upgrade using a PCP bottle instead of Co2... that might be interesting! David. Found that on a post in another forum.. how cool is this........ erm you might just want to check to see if that is a UK site or if its US site. I also think you should ask the question of how many shots you would get out of a air conversion as i have used the air cartrdiges that you can use in place of the Co2 cartiges and get about half as many shots from a fully charged one (ie about 20 shots in a CP88) so all i use in my pistol is Co2. If you buy your Co2 in bulk it can cost as little as 30p per Co2! Which is a damn sight better than a quid a throw! ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Rob I agree with what you just said. I am ideally looking to try to convert this to something like my AGS-PCR1 rifle. precharged.. running off a gas bottle to refill. I know these rifles as standard.. are only running at about 5-6 lb pressure however i want the to run 11 -12.. I am sure there can be a cylinder fitted to replacce a co2 somwhere on the gun. This will allow for 200-300 bar and I am not overly fussed if i have to still use bb.. but that cab be changed later down the line. I hope this makes since... I think i will call a few places tommorow who specialise in de activated ak's and see what they think... I and to connect this up to my air bottle.. to refill.. and just shoot off and have fun.... who cares about accuracy... lol! ok i do.. that can be improved later!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 (edited) I knew I had seen thios topic before http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108451 jonrms, your bitting way too much off here.. the whole project will cost well over a grand with all you want to do. Machining a barrel to .22 cal instead of .177? and getting a CO2 gun to fire fully automatic .22 pellets on air PCP, instead of .177 BB's... I wish you good luck. I have done complicated projects before.. but.. I have to ask why?? it wont shoot accurate, at best itle be single shot, and you will have put hundreds of pounds into it? itle be usless trying to shoot semi or full auto for hunting as youl never hit anything without a rifled barrel, and certainly not with a short barrel and open sights. That gun was built for plinking.. keep it for that, and use the other hard earnt pounds to buy a good hunting rifle. Edited March 20, 2006 by Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I knew I had seen thios topic before http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108451 jonrms, your bitting way too much off here.. the whole project will cost well over a grand with all you want to do. Machining a barrel to .22 cal instead of .177? and getting a CO2 gun to fire fully automatic .22 pellets on air PCP, instead of .177 BB's... I wish you good luck. I have done complicated projects before.. but.. I have to ask why?? it wont shoot accurate, at best itle be single shot, and you will have put hundreds of pounds into it? itle be usless trying to shoot semi or full auto for hunting as youl never hit anything without a rifled barrel, and certainly not with a short barrel and open sights. That gun was built for plinking.. keep it for that, and use the other hard earnt pounds to buy a good hunting rifle. hunter, see you can tell i have chases all over for information!! I wont stop.. but I do not want it fully auto... I want it self loading.. like on a walter ppk or you know.. after one shot another 177 or 22 pellet comes in.. I can get a longer barrel by buying a after market yunker 3 one... and I am sure it can have it perfect.. dont think it will cost thousands... but i bet its gonna be a few hundered at least. If all else fails i will just keep it as a plinking gun. i have my own hunting rifle anyway.. but i wanted and still want a challange.. i wont give up until the fat lady sings... this being my wife. lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I found a company who is doing this!!!! horrah!!! there advice... is I would have to send them the gun.. they will have to remove the semi auto function.. as it is against the law!!! then they will modify the barrel for better accuracy. they will have it adapted for 177 pellets... or 22 if i wanted.. and there would have to be a side cocking mechinism (descrete) to load the new pellet. It will run on a pre charged 12 lb pressure. HORRAH.. just waiting for the total cost..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I bet the cost will be deadly, and will certainly make the missus sing Good luck with it all, be sure to pop some pictures up if it does work out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I bet the cost will be deadly, and will certainly make the missus sing Good luck with it all, be sure to pop some pictures up if it does work out I will defently pop some photos up when i can. I have a company who specialises in them that wants to take it on.... and someone else who claims to have done it and is willing to do mine... i wanna see proof before i let some random stranger tackle this project.. plus want to ensure it keeps within the law. this company i am talking about before... seems to know the law inside and out and pointed all the thinks that MUST be changed before he can hand it back... this other random bloke made no mention of the law.. so am a bit suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 this company i am talking about before... seems to know the law inside and out and pointed all the thinks that MUST be changed before he can hand it back... this other random bloke made no mention of the law.. so am a bit suspicious. ok form the sounds of it the guy is going to modify the rifle, then hes going to unmodify the rifle telling you what he has done to make the rifle legal? sounds like you pretty close to making this either semi auto or fuly auto, and im ure there are others on here that will tell you all about the penalties of owning a semi auto airrifle and as for a fully auto model, im not even goingto go there. just keep it simple and be happy with the way it is, its a plinking rifle and will never be able to be used in the fields. what do you think the reaction of joe public will be if your seen with that shooting in the fieds? The AK47 has got to be close to one of the most famouse and recognisable rifles ever made. What do you think would happen if police get the following call " we were walking with the kids through the farmers fields, and saw a sniper with an AK47, i know it was that rifle as have seen pleanty of films with them in" You say you want o make sure its within the law? speak to the local FLO at the police station telling them the mods you wan to do, or even better speak to a loacl gunsmith, r even call you Ben Taylor and ask for his input on the mods you want done. I mean no offence by this, but you dont seem to have much idea about scopes, so must have even less idea about the law. ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 >I found a company who is doing this!!!! horrah!!! If that company is trapper industries, steer clear!!! If the 'dodgy bloke' you are referring to is Sid's mate off the BBS then I would go with him. Sid is a professional Machinist and wouldn't stand for a **** job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 >I found a company who is doing this!!!! horrah!!! If that company is trapper industries, steer clear!!! If the 'dodgy bloke' you are referring to is Sid's mate off the BBS then I would go with him. Sid is a professional Machinist and wouldn't stand for a **** job wow so i really am a bad judgement of character, I was worried because Sids mate seemed like someone who just is a bloke at home messing with rifles. I do not want to break any legal rules etc... As for trapper I honestly thought they knew what they were on about.. pm me bud.. I am interested to know more and obviously dont want to cause a riot on here... Has anyone ever seen any of these that Sids mate has done before... and what about trapper.. are they that bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 lastly see my last post on scopes... it ties into this one.. :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 no need to talk about banning or anything else for that matter, thats what these boards are for is dicusions, its hard to gauge a person from a few lines of text, sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get it wrong. but there are a couple of people you can contact to find out about the legal and the mod side of things, first port of call would be Ben Taylor (of Ben Taylor and sons) his number can be found in all the air gun mags, he is a world of knoledge about everything air gun, especialy those that might infringe on firearms laws. Well worth a few minutes to try and contact him. Another to seak to would be KEEF over on the bbs he is formerly from XB&M bullpups, so has a lot of experiance in modifying rifles. But i would seriously hold up until you have tried the rifle in your own hands. and just curiouse but how long is the rifle with the stock folded? if that is the version your getting, as i cant remember the length needed to be classed as a rifle but if its under a certain length it would be classed as a pistol, therefore only allowing you a maximum of 6Flbs. ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 no need to talk about banning or anything else for that matter, thats what these boards are for is dicusions, its hard to gauge a person from a few lines of text, sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get it wrong. but there are a couple of people you can contact to find out about the legal and the mod side of things, first port of call would be Ben Taylor (of Ben Taylor and sons) his number can be found in all the air gun mags, he is a world of knoledge about everything air gun, especialy those that might infringe on firearms laws. Well worth a few minutes to try and contact him. Another to seak to would be KEEF over on the bbs he is formerly from XB&M bullpups, so has a lot of experiance in modifying rifles. But i would seriously hold up until you have tried the rifle in your own hands. and just curiouse but how long is the rifle with the stock folded? if that is the version your getting, as i cant remember the length needed to be classed as a rifle but if its under a certain length it would be classed as a pistol, therefore only allowing you a maximum of 6Flbs. ROB dont know the length but it is a rifle. i know it has a folding stock.. and that was one concern.. because if folded it can then constitute as a pistol. anyway will be having a fixed stock instead of it folding.. possible to have the air cylinder there. the barrel needs to be milled to allow 177 pellets or 22 which i ideally want. the gun arrives tommorow... have parcel forces tracking number so cant wait. i want it a single shot. side bolt type... and can use the spare mag to hold extra pellets.. or make a way so that when you slide the bolt the pellet slides into the chamber. legally speaking there will be nothing wrong. i have contacted many people. about 50 % of these professionals wont touch it because of the nature and history of the rifle. they feel it may bring a bad name etc.. expecially if its widly shown. the other 50% or so are willing to help and take it on. i have been quoted by one company 47£ a hour.. and hes not sure where to begin... on that note i wont bother with him.. lol Trapper industries seemed ok and i have seen some of there work. I am not sure of the full quality and if its up to my standard but i know they know the rifle inside and out. I am still waiting from Sids friend to contact me.... and even sent sid another email requesting him to get his mate to get in touch. I know there is a long history with this rifle... which is why i am so determined to succeed with modifying it. heres my mobile number... i dont mind the forum seeing it. any doubts you can contact me. if you also have any information... which is why i joined.. please call or txt.. 07789501189 yes my name is jon So this is not a battle that i am trying to have with anyone over completing this modification. I know some of you will be against it and I do understand you reasons. I also have a good knowledge of the law and work along side the best cops and fire arm officers in the yorkshire area. My number is above rob. if you wish to call please feel free. I have nothing to hide behind and only wish to gain more knowledge and a better understanding of how to complete this modification (LEGALLY!) Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Just a update, I contacted Ben Taylor & Son, and he advised that he would have nothing to do with the modification as he wouldnt know where to begin. there is nothing wrong with my idea or mods. and that I have been reffered to him wrongly as he wouldnt really give any type of recommendations on this as he never even heard of the model in question. This is not saying "I told you so" or any of that.. its just letting you know i took your advice, contacted another person. and no luck at that end. pps i cound another company that may help called avtomats in action. and am awaiting there reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) If I were you I would slow down a bit. I have heard lots of things about Trapper Industries, their stuff does look good on their site but I have heard that the workmanship was a bit basic, it may have changed though. Other than them, I would take a look at what you want, Do you want: Single action (i.e. cocked for every shot) or Semi-auto (i.e. cocks and loads itself) I am pretty sure that true semi-auto cannot go about 1 joule in muzzle energy or that if it can it is VERY frowned upon by the Home Office, I have read of some manufacturers not getting permission to manufacture such guns in the UK. At the end of the day a pre-charged gun is dangerous, I would not like to cast any doubt on anyones workmanship, but I would not be getting anyone except a recognised name to make me a gun holding lots of compressed gas. One weak seam or other imperfection in the tank and the whole thing could blow up, and do you know that who is doing the work has liability insurance? You may be better off looking at an airsoft replica. Edited March 21, 2006 by rarms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Single bolt action I think would be the way forward. I just need to work on a way that the outter casing of the mag can come off to reveal a simmular precharged bottle inside. the valves would need to be upgraded and a side bolt will need to be added. the rifle barrel will need to be modified or created to give accuracy. so it will be another single shot. I agree and found rarms that it is frowned upon to have a self loading rifle. plus not to mention it would be dangerous and can possibly cause a accidental discharge. so single shot would be the way forward. thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.b.helix-roveda Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 (edited) I found a company who is doing this!!!! horrah!!! who ist it? Some more informations? Regards, j.b. Edited September 4, 2006 by j.b.helix-roveda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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