Guest kenny Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Hi Could someone tell me please if reloading 20 bore would be cheaper than buying them I usually get 1000 at a time and am get through quite a few just now Cheers Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 reloading isnt cheaper. but there are ways of saving money. what are you shooting? what would you like to relaod? if you are shooting clays, or alot of cartridges, then a serious investment in equiptment. if you are seriously thinking of shooting cheap & **** shells, 5/8oz of 8s at clays can be done. out of a 20 it`ll be fast. 18kg of lead per 1000. £60 of lead at least. cheaper if you arntt afraid of heights... if you want a smoking game load, you will save alittle, but not the equiptment investment. ps, i`m afraid oh heights..... check out siarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kenny Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) I am shooting Game loads through a Hushpower not to worried about the out lay for the reloading kit. But after buying the Primers, Fiber Wads and Shot the empty cartridges. I can get from the clay ground will I be saving much. My time is not an issue it will get me out from the wifes and kids feet. I think reloading will be quite interesting and I can make a few Heavy loads for hitting the rooks nests. Cheers Kenny Edited May 23, 2011 by kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 loading hushy cartridges, would be cost effective. most places dont stock them in any shotsize bigger than 6. sits in hedges is a 20 hushpower man here. he could help with a load. give him a yell. i think #4 hushpower loads are sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I use Vectan A1, between 14-17 grains depending how much Hush and how much Power I want, in a 70mm Eley CT case that has been cut down to 65mm to get rid of most of the crimp, with a CX2000 primer and 15mm fibre wad and 3mm nitro card. It is finished off with 28grams of shot and a rolled turn over (because 20g cases don't crimp reliably). These are published Claygame recipes and so are safe to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 These are published Claygame recipes and so are safe to use. i`m not knocking the load in question, seriously. some loads that are published whether by the aforementioned company or any other are not good. i`ve seen some published that are just below the maximum pressure. i try and avoid these loads as either the powder is the wrong burn rate, or used in silly way. i`m not saying they are unsafe. because i know pressure is needed for shot to move. but anyone who reload to the maximum pressure, is an accident waiting to happen. shotshells sometimes have a huge variation range. sellecting the right load is the hardest part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 i`m not knocking the load in question, seriously. some loads that are published whether by the aforementioned company or any other are not good. i`ve seen some published that are just below the maximum pressure. i try and avoid these loads as either the powder is the wrong burn rate, or used in silly way. i`m not saying they are unsafe. because i know pressure is needed for shot to move. but anyone who reload to the maximum pressure, is an accident waiting to happen. shotshells sometimes have a huge variation range. sellecting the right load is the hardest part. I don't understand exactly what you are saying. Do you know what the pressures are or any reason why they aren't safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 any load can be published as long as it below the proof pressures. if the pressure of a load is 11500, then it can be published, any more and it cant (unless for the 14000psi 3.5" 12gauge.) i`ve seen several loads that are published with 20 grains of powder "X". with such a low (relatively) powder charge and a barely publishable pressure tells me that the powder charge is too large or the shot charge too high. this load would be applicable to very cold day. if these were loaded, and then shot on a really hot day... then it would expect the pressure to exceed published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I still don't understand how your comments relate to the published loads that I have shot for years in all seasons without any issues. Why should they be of concern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 To the OP, You can reload 20g 28gram fibre loads for under £100/1000 plus your shot. If you make your own shot that means about £130/1000. About half the price of Hushpower cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 sits, they shouldnt, i`m just saying to the op. just because a load is published and written down, doesnt mean its any good. as i said in post #6 i`m not knocking the load. some loads i`ve seen are lemons. not even worth loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Let's not forget what part other components besides the powder play. I just loaded some Vectan AO using a CX2000 primer and nitro card (with fibre wad) and got a very mediocre velocity in the low 1100s I tried a different AO recipe that substituted the cx2000 primer for a lower power fiocchi 614 and the nitrocard for a more efficient plastic obturator and suddenly the velocity was knocking on 1300fps. I downloaded it a couple of grains for a nice comfortable 1230fps and I know which of those 20g recipes I will be using in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 thats a really good point, slow burning powders need a good wad,that seals well because upon initial ignition, the wad bleeds off / looses (inefficiency) pressure, pressure thats needed, to continue the ignition. so under certain conditions, the load would be sluggish, slow, low - medium pressure, or take along time to reach that pressure. old guns, usually have a short forcing cone for the inefficient wads and the highly combustble black powder. they arnt really designed for nitro, but can be used with some shells if they are proofed for them. sometimes i see recipes, and just wonder what they were on, loading and publishing the load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Let's not forget what part other components besides the powder play. I just loaded some Vectan AO using a CX2000 primer and nitro card (with fibre wad) and got a very mediocre velocity in the low 1100s I tried a different AO recipe that substituted the cx2000 primer for a lower power fiocchi 614 and the nitrocard for a more efficient plastic obturator and suddenly the velocity was knocking on 1300fps. I downloaded it a couple of grains for a nice comfortable 1230fps and I know which of those 20g recipes I will be using in future. And the Fiocchi primers fit all the cases - no more throwing away good serviceable cases!! Another plus for recycling Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kenny Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 sitsinhedges (because 20g cases don't crimp reliably). I was thinking of getting a MEC 9000G So what would you recommend and how do you do the roll over easily Please keep it simple for STUPID ME Cheers Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 sitsinhedges (because 20g cases don't crimp reliably). I was thinking of getting a MEC 9000G So what would you recommend and how do you do the roll over easily Please keep it simple for STUPID ME Cheers Kenny I use a basic single stage press to do all the steps but the crimp then finish it off with a rolled turnover tool in a drill press. You can buy these from Siarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 the mec 9000 is a progressive, how many shells are you planning on reloading? a jr can do it just as well, and you get to do everything at your own pace. progressive loaders run really well with good fitting loads, if the load doesnt fit well, they you will have run problems. if your loading 1000s a week or month, go for it. if your loading 100 a month or week, the jr would be the cheaper option. cook. you will need to get shot bars and powder bushings, a digital scale and a micrometer helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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