Mickthemiller Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Hi I have a Young Springer called Breeze brilliant pedigree loads of FTCH in both sides, my problem is form when she was a pupI was slowly teaching him fun training Sit with whistle for food, fetch a ball and retrieve in the hallway and he came on very well, He then cut himself badly on barbed wire and everything stopped for three months partly my fault I should have continued with what we knew a week later I was in Hospital having a new knee, so Carol carried on with the walking bit. However we started training again and apart from sitting he totally blanked me and turned to my wife to be spoilt she had taken to walking him during the day due to the dark nights, just after we started his training again he became very head strong in fact a total embarrasment at his first formal lesson I persisted with limited success only to discover the main problem was my wife when she walked him she gave him his head. we decided at this point that he would be my wifes dog and a pet, the thing is that recently I have started to take him out with my dog and he has started to hunt with here, recall not bad but by signal (arn raised) walkes to heel, good tends to drag behind a bit but two months ago he would be all over the place.his sence of smell is incredible but if he does wind something he is gone. But he seems to have grown up if we are on a footpath and he goes through the gate first he waits for me toe signal hunt or heal and most times he is not bad. but the next day he is back to his headstrong ways, I asked Geoff the trainer why with his pedigree he was so hard to train in his words he sais" Mike you have a championship dog there but a **** trainer you are to soft with him but that is your nature. What I am asking is has anyone else had this experience and do you think it is to late for me to train to be sometning, He is a very big dog for a springer 30kgs and not fat, loves water and will retrieve dummies all day from a fast flowing river by us and is probable one of the best natured dogs we have ever had, My other dog a bitch is fully trained but due to various problems after the knee I have just had a new hip so Carol takes her out and does nothing with her, I took here out Monday and as soon as she heard the stop whistle she was a different dog Totally focused and looking forward to working. I just can't explain it, yes I am a novice Handler and my dog came fully trained. I would love to achieve something with Breeze if it was only retrieving I Know I am probably setting myself up but ANY SUGGESTIONS only clean ones please, I really am doing this for the dog more than me I feel he want's to work but does not know how. Pedigree includes Grandparent Broomfield Satyre, Great Grandparents, stearoc Sker, laganmill malvern,Broomfield Bonnet, Next generation Clarburg art, chillview ann of steadrock, plus five other FTCH at this generation. Mick the Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would say you will be best off to go back to the basics of Sitting, walking to heal, recall and stop whistle and concentrate on these for 4 weeks or so. Once you are happy he does what you want the first time of asking then proceed further with his training. If you are still having problems it could well be beneficial to seet 1 to 1 lesson with a professional trainer as they will be able to quickly assess you and the dog and over the course of a month or so help you over the problems. All dogs learn at a different pace and it sound to me as if it could a respect issue in that he doesnt fully respect you. I ahcve had this with a couple of my dogs and the only way I found to sort them out was to do the basics again and be hard/firm on the dog when training and in correction but being full of praise when he has done good. I hope this helps archi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickthemiller Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Hi Thanks Archi for those kind words. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Yeah, sounds like the springer can be trained- but its gonna take lots of work and comitment from you. 4 wks of close work is nothing a real headstrong dog could need much more than that. 30kg for a springer? thats knocking on 5 stone isn't it :blink: the real good dogs can test us all to the limits and they know it and thats basically why the so and so's do it MY GWP is 37 kg and built like a tank and at the very top end of breed std, cant imagine what a 30kg work bred springer looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larp Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 where abouts are you i mite be able to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickthemiller Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Hi Larp I live in a place called Stonehouse a couple of miles from Junction 13 M5 Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 how old is the dog mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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