ShooterTom Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Hi, has anyone tried these? I bought a couple of boxes of 32 g 5s to try on pigeons and maybe some duck. I havnt used steel before and they were cheaper than lead so will b interesting to see how they go. Oh by the way my gun is proofed for steel. Cheers Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmar fudd Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 i think they'll do the job on the pigeon at normal ranges mate, but i think that 5's in steel are probably abit small for duck unless there close, im using 3's this season someone told me that with steel you have to go two sizes bigger so i think the steel 3's are like lead 5's? so 5's would in theory be equivelent to lead 7's i beleive fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 i think they'll do the job on the pigeon at normal ranges mate, but i think that 5's in steel are probably abit small for duck unless there close, im using 3's this season someone told me that with steel you have to go two sizes bigger so i think the steel 3's are like lead 5's? so 5's would in theory be equivelent to lead 7's i beleive fudd steel shotsize selection is ever critical. thats what everyone says across the pond. the rule for going up 2 shotsizes is very misleading. but it is a minimum start. i recomend minimum 2s for duck, but some swear by 3s. you see steel is less dense, so tecnically even going up 2 shotsizes is barely going up one size in a lead for like load. steel loads are so different, but just use what works. enjoy your cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Ah ok thanks! I will give them a try when I'm next out decoying. Which will hopefully be tomorrow! I will need to get something a bit more substantial for the duck... Cheers Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 steel shotsize selection is ever critical. thats what everyone says across the pond. the rule for going up 2 shotsizes is very misleading. but it is a minimum start. i recomend minimum 2s for duck, but some swear by 3s. you see steel is less dense, so tecnically even going up 2 shotsizes is barely going up one size in a lead for like load. steel loads are so different, but just use what works. enjoy your cartridges. Good advice cookoff, 2's are good medicine for decoyed puddlers and I really prefer BB's for ALL duck shooting. They have the authority for the follow up shots when they are leaving town. I shoot 1 1/4 0z. BB in the 10 Ga. @ around 1450fps It's a load that's hard on ducks out to around 50-55 yds. Choke constriction .018. I suppose being a purist one could load 1's and have the best of all especially in a 12 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Good advice cookoff, 2's are good medicine for decoyed puddlers and I really prefer BB's for ALL duck shooting. They have the authority for the follow up shots when they are leaving town. I shoot 1 1/4 0z. BB in the 10 Ga. @ around 1450fps It's a load that's hard on ducks out to around 50-55 yds. Choke constriction .018. I suppose being a purist one could load 1's and have the best of all especially in a 12 bore. as American has been shooting steel for alot longer, i`d like to learn from them. their industry is faster and better than ours. there is a huge difference in the ammo produced here and there. we have a speed and shotsize limit here for steel cartridges. cartridges here barely go 1200fps. and in smaller shotsizes. thats bad combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Hi, has anyone tried these? I bought a couple of boxes of 32 g 5s to try on pigeons and maybe some duck. I havnt used steel before and they were cheaper than lead so will b interesting to see how they go. Oh by the way my gun is proofed for steel. Cheers Tom What gun are you using and is it a multi choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I use 4's and they work just fine, I shoot with one guy who uses 7's and before everyone jumps up and down he is a very good shot with well over 30yrs experiance on the marsh shooting a heck of a lot his wounding rate is equal or better than mine BUT he awaits his opertunities and knows just when to take them. I quizzed him again yesterday as to why he preffers them and its simply he gets more pellets and hence gets a good pattern onto the head and they have sufficient velocity to kill well at up to 35 yds max. I have shot with him many times and can honestly say he never stretches that range though. In his words " i wouldn't recomend anyone else try and shift over to them, but they work very well for me and my shooting".. If we end up swapping a few duck i can always tell his as the pellets rarely penetrate the breast or body much. In the past a bought some steel 5 clay loads in error, i reserved them on one side thinking they will do for waders etc. Then one night the crows were comming over our house thick and fast and picked them up in error thinking they were lead 5's. Very happy with the kills i got that evening i was picking up the empties and realised my error. In truth put your spread in the right place and keep the ranges realistic and steel kills well even in smaller sizes. However you cannot carry out flukey high kills like you can with lead at times as individual pellets just dont carry the energy I have shot larger duck with BB when loaded for goose and it isn't as damaging as you might think BUT the chances of multiple pellets to the head neck are very limited, so thats the other end of the specrum if your a "shoot em up the bum sort" they are just the thing for you- i wouldn't knowingly fire at teal with them though as there is precious little on those breasts anyway and three BB into the area would render it a less than worthwhile exersize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 What gun are you using and is it a multi choke Either my beretta silver pigeon (fixed choke 1/4 and 1/2) and my hatsan escort probs through 1/2 choke. Why are there limits put on the velocity and shot shotsize? Cheers Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 as American has been shooting steel for alot longer, i`d like to learn from them. their industry is faster and better than ours. there is a huge difference in the ammo produced here and there. we have a speed and shotsize limit here for steel cartridges. cartridges here barely go 1200fps. and in smaller shotsizes. thats bad combination. continued.... http://www.eleyhawkltd.com/nontoxic-gpsteel.html - are these the shells? what wad is used for those? i`ve been very impressed with some steel loads and the lack of pellets still get results. i would only use 5 on light game. would partridge be perfect? i think they will destroy small game with such a high shotcount. i think a ballance between speed and payload is the key. speed does help with steel, but sensible shotsize selection will triumph. certainly 3-2 would be a sensible start, even at our silly speed limits that our cartridge manufacturers barely get close to. i`ve a liking of 1oz loads, going 1500fps. thats not un achievable. shotsize selection is personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 No they dont seem to be on the eley site. These are the ones although its only a pic not details. http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?site=images&source=mog&hl=en&gl=uk&client=safari&q=eley%20VIP%20steel&sa=N#i=12 The ones I have got are in plastic wad. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Either my beretta silver pigeon (fixed choke 1/4 and 1/2) and my hatsan escort probs through 1/2 choke. Why are there limits put on the velocity and shot shotsize? Cheers Tom Just wondered, as steel is not recommended through any tighter than 1/2 choke (standard choke systems) But you'll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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