deadeye ive Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 All shots 95 yds ,sunny hot day but with a diagonal cross wind .......These are just some examples and the ones i have chosen to concentrate on .........I tried 15 combinations My first ever 3- shot mashed hole .......25g Vargret ,CCI Benchrest primor and 50grn hornady v-max 24g N133 CCI Benchrest primor and 50grn Hornady V-max 4 shot group 22g N133 CCI primor and 55 grn Nosler Ballistic tip I grain to much And of course the American eagle Once again thanks Miffy for helping me and Frank I know this will have some interest to you if and when you can homeload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 All shots 95 yds ,sunny hot day but with a diagonal cross wind .......These are just some examples and the ones i have chosen to concentrate on .........I tried 15 combinations My first ever 3- shot mashed hole .......25g Vargret ,CCI Benchrest primor and 50grn hornady v-max 24g N133 CCI Benchrest primor and 50grn Hornady V-max 4 shot group 22g N133 CCI primor and 55 grn Nosler Ballistic tip I grain to much And of course the American eagle Once again thanks Miffy for helping me and Frank I know this will have some interest to you if and when you can homeload Thanks very much Ive. Some great groups their. The AE are just deadly ha? Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 24g with a vmax and n133 is quite hot i cant say for certain but i thought hornady listed 23.7 as their max load with this combination I will be starting this saturday coming on my handloads and will be starting off with 23g of n133 in lapua case, cci small bore primer, and a 50grain Vmax I may also try some Amax 52gr and some Nosler 50grain b/t some impressive groups there mate, going to mess around with seating depth now? or try going up and down the powder scale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 i cant say for certain but i thought hornady listed 23.7 as their max load with this combination I will be starting this saturday coming on my handloads and will be starting off with 23g of n133 in lapua case, cci small bore primer, and a 50grain Vmax I may also try some Amax 52gr and some Nosler 50grain b/t some impressive groups there mate, going to mess around with seating depth now? or try going up and down the powder scale? Just starting to scratch the surface Nick..............Will show Miffy the full set of results for the 15 different combis and get his opinion but it'll be powder wieghts that'll be fine tuned I feel ........... Thanks very much Ive. Some great groups their. The AE are just deadly ha? Frank Somehow Frank I feel our luck could run out where the consistancy is concerned but for now it's my chosen round for the distances I shoot Charlie and I have yet to see it's stopping power in action from a personal point of view ............Should'nt be long now though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirky Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Some of the groups look very good cant wait to get my .223, its on order but wont be in the country untill about november What make of rifle/scope did you go for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Thanks very much Ive. Some great groups their. The AE are just deadly ha? Frank Somehow Frank I feel our luck could run out where the consistancy is concerned but for now it's my chosen round for the distances I shoot Charlie and I have yet to see it's stopping power in action from a personal point of view ............Should'nt be long now though ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well from my personell experience, they hit bloody hard on goats, the AE that is. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 What make of rifle/scope did you go for ? Tikka M595 ,8 x 56 SB .............It's a dusk and Dawn scope stirky and comes with quite a thick cross air .........With a finer cross air I could probably 1 hole 3 shots .......I managed it with 2 shots however a couple of times throughout the session . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nice one Ive.....Looks good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 24g with a vmax and n133 is quite hot i cant say for certain but i thought hornady listed 23.7 as their max load with this combination I will be starting this saturday coming on my handloads and will be starting off with 23g of n133 in lapua case, cci small bore primer, and a 50grain Vmax I may also try some Amax 52gr and some Nosler 50grain b/t some impressive groups there mate, going to mess around with seating depth now? or try going up and down the powder scale? You think 24 Grain N133 with a 50 G Vmax is a hot load???..............and you are going to start Loading with 23 Grain N133 with a 50 G Vmax. I'm sure that you know all loads should be worked up and you should check for signs of pressure as you work up. I wouldn't load anything for Ive that i would not happily shoot myself. I have heard of blokes using 25 G N133 + in .223 (safely) but that doesn't mean we loaded any for Ive. I'd suggest you start loading at 20G but each to their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 24g with a vmax and n133 is quite hot i cant say for certain but i thought hornady listed 23.7 as their max load with this combination I will be starting this saturday coming on my handloads and will be starting off with 23g of n133 in lapua case, cci small bore primer, and a 50grain Vmax I may also try some Amax 52gr and some Nosler 50grain b/t some impressive groups there mate, going to mess around with seating depth now? or try going up and down the powder scale? You think 24 Grain N133 with a 50 G Vmax is a hot load???..............and you are going to start Loading with 23 Grain N133 with a 50 G Vmax. I'm sure that you know all loads should be worked up and you should check for signs of pressure as you work up. I wouldn't load anything for Ive that i would not happily shoot myself. I have heard of blokes using 25 G N133 + in .223 (safely) but that doesn't mean we loaded any for Ive. I'd suggest you start loading at 20G but each to their own my point is hornady list 23.7 as their max load with a vmax and n133 and thats doing 3400fps which is pleanty. 20g through a .223 would be pointless thats doing less than 3000fps! All the manuals suggest that you can go as high as 25grains of n133 whilst still only running 88% density so 23 should be fine. However for a Vmax i would back it off, Hornady is achiving the same velocity with the 50 vmax and 23.7 grains as nosler does with their 50grain b/t and 25grains of n133. Just because some projectiles can safely run 25grains dosent mean that all projectiles can. Im sure you have been reloading years longer than me and are very experianced and know this is completely safe..... but, when providing a handloads for someone else do you not think it sensible to at least adhire to the max powder charge listed in the manufactors manual? Not a personal stab, just not sure how fair it is to criticise my choice of 23grains when you jumped straight in with 24g (unless you tried lower charges looking for pressure signs, but this wasnt mentioned or shown) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 my point is hornady list 23.7 as their max load with a vmax and n133 and thats doing 3400fps which is pleanty. 20g through a .223 would be pointless thats doing less than 3000fps! All the manuals suggest that you can go as high as 25grains of n133 whilst still only running 88% density so 23 should be fine. However for a Vmax i would back it off, Hornady is achiving the same velocity with the 50 vmax and 23.7 grains as nosler does with their 50grain b/t and 25grains of n133. Just because some projectiles can safely run 25grains dosent mean that all projectiles can. Im sure you have been reloading years and this is completely safe, but when providing a handloads for someone else do you not think it sensible to at least adhire to the max powder charge listed in the manufactors manual? Not a personal stab, just not sure how fair it is to criticise my choice of 23grains when you jumped straight in with 24g (unless you tried lower charges looking for pressure signs, but this wasnt mentioned or shown) Which is why i started the loads off at "20 Grain" but all the loads were not listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 my point is hornady list 23.7 as their max load with a vmax and n133 and thats doing 3400fps which is pleanty. 20g through a .223 would be pointless thats doing less than 3000fps! All the manuals suggest that you can go as high as 25grains of n133 whilst still only running 88% density so 23 should be fine. However for a Vmax i would back it off, Hornady is achiving the same velocity with the 50 vmax and 23.7 grains as nosler does with their 50grain b/t and 25grains of n133. Just because some projectiles can safely run 25grains dosent mean that all projectiles can. Im sure you have been reloading years and this is completely safe, but when providing a handloads for someone else do you not think it sensible to at least adhire to the max powder charge listed in the manufactors manual? Not a personal stab, just not sure how fair it is to criticise my choice of 23grains when you jumped straight in with 24g (unless you tried lower charges looking for pressure signs, but this wasnt mentioned or shown) Which is why i started the loads off at "20 Grain" but all the loads were not listed okay you never said that in your post, i appologise However i wouldnt start that low, the velocity you will achive will be useless, 23grains is a good middle of the road load, its not right up the hot end and just falls nicely into the 3300 velocity region which is what you would expect out of a .223. 22grains may be the best place to start if i thought i would ever actually use that load. If i loaded 22grains and it worked i would still try 23grains maybe more as the manual suggests 23.7 max. I wont however go any further once i have reached 3300 and found an accurate load. Out of intrest how far out do you seat? And what brass is being used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 okay you never said that in your post, i appologise However i wouldnt start that low, the velocity you will achive will be useless, 23grains is a good middle of the road load, its not right up the hot end and just falls nicely into the 3300 velocity region which is what you would expect out of a .223. 22grains may be the best place to start if i thought i would ever actually use that load. If i loaded 22grains and it worked i would still try 23grains maybe more as the manual suggests 23.7 max. I wont however go any further once i have reached 3300 and found an accurate load. Out of intrest how far out do you seat? And what brass is being used? Ive stated in his very first post "These are just some examples and the ones i have chosen to concentrate on .........I tried 15 combinations" Loaded .015 out and federal brass with cci benchrest primers. I'm sure Ive can supply all load info as he should have it I prefer to start low and work up as i am after accurancy and not velocity ( Ive has shot his "first ever" one holer.. not once but twice with different loads) My .243 shoots best with 42 grain of H414 but the maximum is 46 grain (I'm sure you have seen the groups that i have had with that??) My previous rifles have all shot best nearer the maximum load Heres a pic of my groups just incase you haven't seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Please accept my apologies Miffy ............I did'nt realise by naming the combinations I was stirring up a hornets nest ..............Will Know better next time Here are 8 out of 15 combinations ............As instructed I inpected the brass for damage after being fired ...........If you notice the difference between 23-24g N133 you'll see why I chose the latter as this load worked well considering the wind As you can see the wind was starting to push it over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Please accept my apologies Miffy ............I did'nt realise by naming the combinations I was stirring up a hornets nest ..............Will Know better next time No probs Ive....As long as you are happy with everything then all is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Keep up the good work fellas Very impressive. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Nice one Ive.....Looks good so far. Yes really chuffed would be a understatement ...........Scope is sorted and doing what it says on the box thank GOD! Fired 60 rds over a 4hr session mate and took my BBS ,Rod,bore guide ,patches and bronze brush and gave her a thorough clean after every 20 rds ................1 shot and she was back on zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 ] Yes really chuffed would be a understatement ...........Scope is sorted and doing what it says on the box thank GOD! Fired 60 rds over a 4hr session mate and took my BBS ,Rod,bore guide ,patches and bronze brush and gave her a thorough clean after every 20 rds ................1 shot and she was back on zero Glad ure scope is ok See you during the week to sort some more out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 okay, glad you worked up your loads that way, sorry about the confusion, just didnt want someone providing handloads over the recomended powder charge But as you are developing whilst looking for pressure signs thats fine and completely your choice. There are certainly some groups with promise there This coming Sat. i will be hoping to run through a few loads as well as running in, and i will make sure to post the groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 okay, glad you worked up your loads that way, sorry about the confusion, just didnt want someone providing handloads over the recomended powder charge But as you are developing whilst looking for pressure signs thats fine and completely your choice. There are certainly some groups with promise there This coming Sat. i will be hoping to run through a few loads as well as running in, and i will make sure to post the groups. Hope all goes according to plan and look forward to seeing the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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