gixer1 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) I have just sold a rifle to a member on here (a CZ 22) which I sold with the SAK moderator which was brand new when I bought the rifle, his RFD have said they cannot Give him the rifle unless he pays £15 to get this proofed - is this correct? I've never sold a rimfire with mod so could not really give an answer.... Regards, Gixer Edited February 22, 2012 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baymarine Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hi, I have the rifle but they would not give me the mod. This aside it a cracking little gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Hi, I have the rifle but they would not give me the mod. This aside it a cracking little gun. Glad you are happy not sure what to do about the mod though... :blink: Edited February 22, 2012 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Surely if the mod has already been proofed after manufacture as part of the process? As no work will have been done to take it out of proof since it was sold new, it sounds to me like the RFD is talking out of his behind and trying to get a little extra money. What's the difference between the mod and the rifle, if he can let one go and not the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 i think he's trying it on, why would you need to get the mod re-proofed? how many times have people bought a secondhand rifle with a used mod on off an rfd i bet you didn't get a certificate to say it had been reproofed. i think matey is annoyed at not getting a sale and trying to get a bit more money out of the guy you sold it too, i'd ring the firearms dept or basc and see what they make of it, if he's a basc member and he is pulling a fast one maybe they can persuade him. i would of thought it would of cost a lot more than that to get it proofed anyway. name and shame the shop if he is trying it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I did think it odd but honestly couldn't say as I have never sold a rimfire mod - although I have sold a c/f mod and never had this problem... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baymarine Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think it's because there are no proof marking on the mod It's Helston gun smiths. I don't think he is talking out his behind they are a large dealer that deals with RFDs all over the country and the MOD and Police. I am sure there is someone else on here that can confirm what I have just said reference the RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think a mod only has to be proofed if attached to a gun when sold, and now it isnt?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) On 31 August 2000, the London and Birmingham Proof Houses issued a circular entitled "Screw cutting of rifle muzzles and the fitting of sound moderators and other items". A further circular entitled "Conversion of Barrels and the Fitting of Muzzle Accessories" was issued by the Proof Houses in October 2001. The contents and inferences of these circulars have been hotly disputed by the gun trade, and we consider that they are misleading to the extent that they convey the impressions: (a) that there may be a legal requirement to submit all sound moderators for proof and, (B) that there may be a legal requirement to submit all rifles for proof or re-proof after the cutting of an external screw thread at the muzzle. Section 122.(3) of the Gun Barrel Proof Act 1868 ("the 1868 Act") creates an offence of selling or exchanging, or attempting to sell or exchange, a Small Arm the Barrel or Barrels of which are not duly proved or marked as proved. However, the terms "Small Arm" and "Barrel" are separately and distinctly defined in the Act and from these definitions it is clear that there is no offence of selling, etc. an unproved "Barrel" on its own. Therefore, even if sound moderators were deemed to be "Barrels" as defined by the 1868 Act (a suggestion which is hotly disputed), there is no legal requirement to have them proved unless they are sold as part of a "Small Arm". Edit to add taken from here: mod proofing Edited February 22, 2012 by zeff1357 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie_M Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 whoever it is that imports howa rifles sell mods and you can buy it with or with out proof cant rember the price difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Can you not go and collect it to put onto your air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Perhaps if the rifle has been sold and the mod was not part of it, i.e the mod was not paid for but was thrown in as a free extra then it wouldn't matter if it was in proof or not anyway? You can give away a firearm that is out of proof, just not sell it. So the transaction was for a rifle that has proof marks and the mod is given away free due to it not having proof marks, if you see what I mean... Failing that, this is probably a sensible idea: Can you not go and collect it to put onto your air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 It only becomes subject to proofing if it is physically attached to the rifle ant therefore part of the gun. If they are seperate there is no bother, it is now seperate so you should be able to collect it and put it on your ticket. Any good RFD would have let you take it. Dont go there again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I am just having a similar experiance with Helston guns, I have just sold a .243 and Helstons will not hand over the mod (Reflex T8) because it is stamped 30Cal, The rifle was sent with the mod for screwing and proofing to RifleCraft Diss and they sent it on to Birmingham for re-proofing. It has matching proof marks on the rifle and mod but because it does not state .243 Helstons will not hand the mod over. The chap (name withheld) explained his reason for not issuing the mod and it does make sense if there where no markings on the rifle or mod but there clearly are so surely its a simple phone call to the proofing center who will have the rifle serial number on record ???? Frustrating to say the least. I am waiting for my friend (who I bought the rifle off)to dig out the invoice from RifleCraft and see if we can make some sense of the whole 'problem'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Has something new happened here, as far as I am aware................... There is absolutely NO LEGAL requirement to have a mod proofed to fit on a Air Rifle, Rimfire or Centrefire and there is absolutely NO LEGAL requirement to have it proofed to sell it. Currently I have 8 rifles on the FAC, ALL have mods and only one is proofed! I have bought and sold several unproved mods! For whatever reason I'm confident this RFD is either misinformed or taking the ****! Edited March 14, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Has something new happened here, as far as I am aware................... There is absolutely NO LEGAL requirement to have a mod proofed to fit on a Air Rifle, Rimfire or Centrefire and there is absolutely NO LEGAL requirement to have it proofed to sell it. Currently I have 8 rifles on the FAC, ALL have mods and only one is proofed! I have bought and sold several unproved mods! For whatever reason I'm confident this RFD is either misinformed or taking the ****! Exactly what he says, is my own understanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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