NI FAC

[Blackstone]

I have a Northern Irish FAC, with a 9mm pistol and 9mm ammo. Does this mean I can legally possess 9mm rounds in Great Britain? According to the PSNI website, NI FACs are completely valid on the mainland with no more documentation needed. Obviously, handguns are prohibited, but the 9mm on my FAC isn't specifically tied to the gun itself, so I should be okay? I'm also certain 9mms are used on the mainland in gallery rifle etc...

Edited April 29, 2012 by AngryHan

[Teal]

I would give PSNI a ring on this to get confirmation as if it is not permitted then there could be very serious repercussions.

[ordnance]

I don't see why not. I don't see any reason why you can't go into a gun shop in England and buy 1000 rds of 9mm. The only problem could be like N I bank notes even tough they are sterling and legal currency in the UK a lot in England seem to have a problem comprehending that. You could have the same problem with a N Ireland FAC.

Edited April 29, 2012 by ordnance

[woodcock11]

I have a Northern Irish FAC, with a 9mm pistol on it and 1000 rounds of 9mm. Does this mean I can legally possess 9mm rounds in Great Britain? According to the PSNI website, NI FACs are completely valid on the mainland with no more documentation needed. Obviously, handguns are prohibited, but the 9mm on my FAC isn't specifically tied to the gun itself, so I should be okay? I'm also certain 9mms are used on the mainland in gallery rifle etc...

 

I think you have answered your own question - handguns are not permitted in England, Scotland & Wales except for under a very few circumstances and as you say yourself "handguns are prohibited".

 

I suspect you will find that whilst your FAC allows you to hold a handgun here in NI, you will still have to comply with the rules that apply in other parts of the UK - it does not give you carte blanche to override local regulations. That also applies to related ammunition.

 

A 9mm pistol would hint that it may be a PPW and that is why you are allowed to have it with ammunition here in Northern Ireland. I do not think PSNI will be very amused at you advertising the fact on a public forum. As you say, you cannot take the gun to GB, so why would you want to buy ammunition there???

Edited April 30, 2012 by woodcock11

[Blackstone]

I'm well aware that I can't bring the pistol to the mainland. I am also sure there are multiple legitimate reasons why I may come into possession of 9mm ammunition over there without a gun. For example, I may know somebody who reloads, and could supply me with cheaper ammunition. I am talking purely theoretically, and would appreciate it if you didn't start second guessing me or playing Sherlock.

[beeredup]

how come NI which as far i knew it was under the same goverment as the mainland still be allowed section 5???

[Blackstone]

NI does not go by the Firearms Act 1968, but the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004, which has pistols under Section 1.

[beeredup]

another quirk of the firearms laws as ya say ya learn some thing new every day

 

and now for my next trick talkin Mrs W into moving to NI

[ordnance]

I think you have answered your own question - handguns are not permitted in England, Scotland & Wales except for under a very few circumstances and as you say yourself "handguns are prohibited".

 

I suspect you will find that whilst your FAC allows you to hold a handgun here in NI, you will still have to comply with the rules that apply in other parts of the UK - it does not give you carte blanche to override local regulations. That also applies to related ammunition.

 

A 9mm pistol would hint that it may be a PPW and that is why you are allowed to have it with ammunition - 1000 rounds does seem a lot - here in Northern Ireland. I do not think PSNI will be very amused at you advertising the fact on a public forum. As you say, you cannot take the gun to GB, so why would you want to buy ammunition there???

 

The question asked was could he buy 9mm ammunition in England. If his FAC allows him to buy 9mm in this part of the UK then i don't see why he would not be able to buy 9mm in any part of the UK as i think it can be used for hunting humane dispatch ect in England. If he could buy shotgun cartridges in England if his FAC allowed then why not 9mm. As i think you are allowed 25 rds for a PPW i would suggest its for club use. PS I don't see why talking about shooting 9mm on a public forum would concern the PSNI any more than talking about shooting shotguns ect.

[Blackstone]

Thank you ordnance My main concern was, whether or not the 9mm entry is directly tied to the pistol itself. Obviously the two are related, they wouldn't grant me 9mm ammo if I didn't have a gun to use it in, but do I need to be in a place where it's legal to use the gun that the ammunition is "linked" to? I know that 9mm is definitely in use on the mainland for target shooting.

 

My thinking is, 9mm ammunition itself is NOT prohibited in England, so there is no reason why I can't buy it, with the appropriate slot on my FAC.

Edited April 29, 2012 by AngryHan

[bedwards1966]

I don't see any tie between ammunition and a gun. We can have any ammunition we want, if we have a need to, such as a gun for it.

I think it should be fairly clear that as long as a NI firearms certificate is valid here, it should be perfectly legal to hold or purchase any ammo on it.