Found this interesting.

[demonwolf444]

I wasnt alive around this time, its peoples response's to dunblane etc, and the subsequent bans that followed. I wasnt alive and ive really been clueless as to what went on and why, however the footage makes me feel a little ill, i thought it was especially moving when it shows the protestors, how can so many people be voicing an opinion and our government not even listen.. i dont know, yeh its all in the past now, just some of the footage of the protest and the amnesty just really makes you question, especially when is made no difference.

[rem708]

I was there on all the marches and have all the badges to prove it. I was one of the very last to hand in my .22 competition pistols and the following week, when there were no legal hand guns, a person was shot dead in London. This continued for months - made sweet xx difference.

 

It's about time the gagging order is lifted on what happened at Dunblane. Let's find out who allowed this tragedy to happen and diverted attention to the subsequent persecution of innocent sportsman.

 

This is a good video - I've not seen it before and it backs the huge support for the NRA in the USA.

[demonwolf444]

As it said in a recent fieldsports episode, with the olympics looming and nearly 20 years after the incident, isnt it about time the laws were relaxed, especially as numerous reports suggest prove and mention the ineffectuality of the laws.

[HDAV]

Remember it happening although not what I thought at the time. I think enough has happened in the last 20 years to prove it hasn't effected gun crime or spree killers. There is a a lot of speculation about what went on and I can't understand the gagging order unless it is a matter of national security I wonder if changes such as FOI would produce anything?

 

I was lucky enough to shoot .22 pistol properly a couple of years ago in jersey fantastic fun, even the missus enjoyed it!

 

Want to go back and try CF.....the Olympics was a missed opportunity perhaps the Glasgow games and devolving firearms to Scotland will result in the law being relaxed in England and Wales like it is in jersey, IoM and NI?

 

 

Shame the governing bodies are so flawed, while I agree lumping clay shooting in with pistol target shooting is like making the AELTC the governing body for badminton and basketball on the basis they use balls and nets..... British shooting is in a mess....

[Livefast123]

United we stand, divided we fall.....there are too many governing bodies for each facet of the sport, all with their many officials and agendas

 

What we need is one united organisation to fight for all shooters, whether we shoot rifle. shotgun, muzzle loader etc.

 

I remember when my club, Shooters of Swansea closed after Dunblane....was only a young 'un and was gutted.

Edited May 3, 2012 by Livefast123

[demonwolf444]

killed off the sport thats for sure, and lest i go to america the land of the "free", i probably wont ever get a chance, im happy enough as things stand but really just dont understand the persistion with the law the way it is when it doesnt work and plenty of people dont like it. I can kind of understand the reaction immediately after the massacres, haveing seen the cumbria shootings, and every time you read about the laws, its described as a knee jerk reaction, however not all reactions are good, and i would say there is sufficient evidence to prove that this perticular one isnt good, If we all stand behind one organisation, or a governing body for all the organisations we could be united and perhaps in 10 15 years we might see some of the mistakes made repealed, but sadly un - united i dont see it. The people who cared gave it up for a bad job a long time ago and the rest of us are content the way things are, noone has any drive motivation or power to change things. Im not an activist, as active as i am is joining and occaisionally donating to BASC

[Livefast123]

Problem is that the UK gun laws have very little to do with Dunblane, Hungerford and Cumbria. They just provided a platform for the ruling classes to expidite their plan for the unarming of every UK citizen. The ruling classes have been scared for decades that their dictatorial policies will eventually cause an uprising of the general populice. What an easy way to ensure defeat, make sure the only weapons they have access to are pitchforks!

 

As Raul Moat proved, if you want a gun for criminal intent it's as easy as shopping for your groceries.

Edited May 3, 2012 by Livefast123

[poontang]

Problem is that the UK gun laws have very little to do with Dunblane, Hungerford and Cumbria. They just provided a platform for the ruling classes to expidite their plan for the unarming of every UK citizen. The ruling classes have been scared for decades that their dictatorial policies will eventually cause an uprising of the general populice. What an easy way to ensure defeat, make sure the only weapons they have access to are pitchforks!

 

 

 

That's a myth.

 

If the government wanted your guns that badly they'd simply ban them, the same as they did with handguns.

 

The handgun ban was to stop the legal ownership of handguns. Criminals always have, and always will get their hands on firearms. That's not what the ban was about.

 

How many people have been killed/injured by a legally held handgun since the ban came into force?

 

It could be argued that the ban has worked.

[Livefast123]

But how many people who would have killed with a handgun have gone on to kill with a different firearm. Successive Governments have introduced ever stricter firearm control in the UK in small steps, to take all firearms out in one go would cause the very uproar that they don't want. THey think if they take little bits at a time nobody will fight too much.

 

IMO you can't say that one type of firearm is more dangerous than another so it should be banned, most have the same capability to end life. You wouldn't ban cars just because a few hundred people a year are killed by drink/drug drivers?

 

At the end of the day all the ban has achieved is robbing a lot of people of a great hobby whilst criminals still rome the streets with their pub bought handguns/shotguns/sub machineguns.

[poontang]

But how many people who would have killed with a handgun have gone on to kill with a different firearm. Successive Governments have introduced ever stricter firearm control in the UK in small steps, to take all firearms out in one go would cause the very uproar that they don't want. THey think if they take little bits at a time nobody will fight too much.

 

IMO you can't say that one type of firearm is more dangerous than another so it should be banned, most have the same capability to end life. You wouldn't ban cars just because a few hundred people a year are killed by drink/drug drivers?

 

At the end of the day all the ban has achieved is robbing a lot of people of a great hobby whilst criminals still rome the streets with their pub bought handguns/shotguns/sub machineguns.

 

Recent firearms controls have come in as a response to acts carried out by licensed individuals.

 

Would handguns have been banned had Hamilton not gone on his rampage at Dunblane?

 

Would the bans/restrictions on semi auto rifles and high capacity shotguns have come in if it weren't for Michael Ryan? (who incidentally used a pistol too, yet no handgun ban at that time).

 

The current government had the perfect opportunity to ban pretty much all firearms after the Cumbria killings, and would have had huge public support had they have done so.

 

It would be the easiest thing in the world to ban ALL firearms in this country, there have been plenty of opportunities for past and current governments to do so.

The fact that they haven't shows to me that they have no intention of doing so, unless we have more and more killings by licensed individuals and the public pressure becomes so great they have to act.

[demonwolf444]

still interesting that BASC, the Met and some government officials see and descrobe the bann as knee jerk and inneffectual, the reason for the ban if you listen to the women in the video is that " in order to reduce gun crime in the uk we must reduce the numbers of people who own guns" - well what absoloute horse ****, because all youve done is removed the possibility that you might own a gun for sport and made anyone who owns a gun a criminal, Therefore disarming the public and only concentrating the number of criminals that own guns, as anyone who owns a pistol is a criminal. All we are seeing today is a steady criminalisation feuled by hype and the media and general misconceptions of an innocent sport, and the recent ideas that the gun laws need to be made more concise and easier to understand is going to let it go one way or another, they could bring some things back, or they can take more away, i think we'd all like to see the latter, however i suspect the former is more likely. 99% sure if they legalised it they wouldnt go away again as people would jump behind organisations. However for the most part this is my optimistic speculation.

AGREED at the end of the day you will get hold of an illegal firearm if you want one and you have criminal contacts weather or not all others are legal or banned, all the ban prevents is sport.

Edited May 4, 2012 by demonwolf444