PotHunter96 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 hi all i was just wondering, im 14 (almost 15) should (touch wood) be getting my SGC through the post anytime soon. and i was just wondering, the farms where i do vermin control with air rifle and shotgun, well i havent been having much success, with magpies and carrions sitting out of range taunting me and i was wondering, when would the best time to apply for an FAC and could someone tell me whether this would be acceptable??: .17 hmr+moderator for fox,rabbits,corvids,and general vermin .22lr+moderator for rabbit,fox(just in case i saw one at close range when i was out) corvids and gneral vermin. and hopefully in the future when i had experience, apply for a .22 centrefire for fox thank you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 You should get those calibres OK, there is no reason why you wouldn't be allowed a .22 hornet either, if you can get someone with a centre-fire to tell the police that you've used one and are safe that'll really help. You might find your force won't allow a .22lr for foxes, not many do. Many won't allow a .17HMR either, if that's the case you shouldn't struggle to get the .22 hornet, as you might not have any choice for foxes. I'd at least apply for all 3, the worst that'll happen is they won't grant you the .22 hornet. I understand the rifles (and ammo) will need to be gifted to you, so you'll need to know someone who can do this for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Just put down for vermin control you dont need to state what they are It doesnt say on your ticket what you can and cant shoot with each calibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 going to be an awkward one buddy, as someone who could gift you a rifle would have to go thru the hassle of variations. id just enjoy the shotgun for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxon88 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 i should wait until your 17.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted May 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 what i was thinking also was however many calibres i put in for,9if i decide to yet), i will decide on the best allrounder, and only have that calibre gifted to me, and wait untill im 18 to obtain the others, but as said, i may wait until im 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 If I was you I'd get on with it. Do you have someone who shoots and can show you the ropes? That would count for a lot. To have someone 'buy' and then gift you a gun doesn't require them to have a variation. You can go into the RFD the over 18 pays and then the firearm transferred to your cert. It is only going to go up in price (depends on the rumour of the day buy could easily double in cost in the not too distant future). If you have 'good reason' secure storage and some firearms experience crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx3 clay breaker Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Thanks apache you just answered my question I started a thread about cheers sx3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 If I was you I'd get on with it. Do you have someone who shoots and can show you the ropes? That would count for a lot. To have someone 'buy' and then gift you a gun doesn't require them to have a variation. You can go into the RFD the over 18 pays and then the firearm transferred to your cert. It is only going to go up in price (depends on the rumour of the day buy could easily double in cost in the not too distant future). If you have 'good reason' secure storage and some firearms experience crack on. How does that one work as you cannot buy a section 1 firearm without the relevant slot so technically his father for example couldn't pay for said firearm as he would then own it even though it is only for a slight second whilst the rfd transfers it to his sons fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 How does that one work as you cannot buy a section 1 firearm without the relevant slot so technically his father for example couldn't pay for said firearm as he would then own it even though it is only for a slight second whilst the rfd transfers it to his sons fac. Having a gun listed on a FAC doesn't mean that you own it. I can go into a RFD tomorrow and buy any firearms on the shelf and then pay them to keep it for me. That gun is legally my possession, but without a 'slot' on my FAC I can't take it home. I have bought guns on a number of occasions whilst waiting for variation paperwork to come through. Not a problem. The person who buys the gun doesn't even need a FAC. They can buy the gun in a nominal fashion and the RFD adds it to the minors cert once they 'gift' it to them. My FIL has a shotgun of mine. It's listed on his SGC but legally it is my possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Again this must be shop dependant as any shop I have tried in my area will only accept a deposit and will not accept full payment until fac is produced as I recently found out when I purchased my new 17HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 It seems I am wrong! 7.19 When a parent or other adult wishes to purchase a firearm to which section 1 of the 1968 Act applies for presentation to a young person between the ages of fourteen and seventeen, both the adult and the young person must be in possession of certificates, or other lawful authority (for example, as would be given to a member of a cadet corps). The former will need the authority to enable them to purchase, and the latter to enable them to acquire and possess the firearms and ammunition. The same principle would apply to a shot gun to which section 2 of the 1968 Act applies for presentation to a young person between the ages of fifteen and seventeen. In some cases the parent or other adult may wish the firearm to appear on both certificates so that they can supervise the young person concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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