kent Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 just phoned lancs for a land check as my mate has a closed cert and is comming onto a permision with me. Was told he needed to have the land added to his file before he could shoot it "no he don't says i" , yes he does, "No go and check with you boss", - pause-, oh it appears there is no right and wrong on this one! " yes there is just your wrong". IT RATHER LIKE ARGUING WITH THE MRS THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 And the outcome was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 And the outcome was? err, read the post its quite self explanitory :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I was told as long as the land has a clearance on it to my caliber and I have permission form the land owner ( not a rep ) in writing and inform the department i can accompany the rep with my fire arm. If the land is un cleared however and the rep is on an open ticket then I can still accompany the rep and I can use there fire arm, i can take my shot gun.but not my own fire arm. I do know that feo s make the odd thing or two up but this is how I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeerman Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 err, read the post its quite self explanitory :look: Not really. Did they stand their ground or are they doing the check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Kent mate - I had the same thing with Lancs when I was on closed conditions. They told me that any permission I wanted to shoot on had to be listed on my files and checked to make sure it was cleared for the calibres I wanted to shoot! As you say, it's a pian in the **** but there is no right and no wrong in some cases so I just went along with it without argument to save any "problems"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Not really. Did they stand their ground or are they doing the check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Kent mate - I had the same thing with Lancs when I was on closed conditions. They told me that any permission I wanted to shoot on had to be listed on my files and checked to make sure it was cleared for the calibres I wanted to shoot! As you say, it's a pian in the **** but there is no right and no wrong in some cases so I just went along with it without argument to save any "problems"! well, perhaps more should tell them. The wording on a closed cert makes it clear, it dont say they have to have it on file. Now they might like it that way but it dont mean they are gonna get it- it wasn't like they had to come and inspect it and the guy would purely be a guest it wasn't as if he was using it for his application or variation and they were the ones saying he was fit and proper enough to shoot on inspected land (whats this are there different inspection criteria for different persons now?) Jee that could make it even more complicated and expensive. I cannot accept "there is no right and wrong" in law there is clearly and legislation and guidelines are in place. its a little like the land forms they send out in lancs, i chucked them (no legal standing and no use). After a while they just start to get on your nerves, giving numpies guns they aint safe to use, open certs to target shooters on first application for hunting, its ok land for .223 but not 22-250- it never ends . Perhaps i am just becoming a grumpy old man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Not necessarily correct. It depends on the wording. There are two main "closed" conditions. The most restrictive names the land over which the holder may shoot. It will be easy to tell as the Certificate has the land named in the condition. The other is "land over which the chief officer of police has deemed suitable for that calibre" (or similar). The second condition does not require that the licensing department know about it. It does require the cert holder to have done some research though which is what the OP seems to be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 All certificates, even ‘open’ certificates, will carry some form of condition, but quarry shooting conditions are applied in two formats, usually becoming less restrictive over time. Your first firearm certificate will usually have a condition restricting quarry shooting to “land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police, for the area which the land is situated”. This means that any land which you have permission to shoot over must also be approved by the police force for the area in which the land is located prior to shooting taking place. Note that only one suitable piece of land is required as evidence of your “good reason” to obtain a particular firearm, and that you will not be limited to this one piece of land once your certificate has been granted. It is your responsibility to check that any land you have been given permission to shoot over has been checked by the police for that cartridge. If you do not ascertain this, you could be prosecuted for failing to comply with your conditions. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 All certificates, even ‘open’ certificates, will carry some form of condition, but quarry shooting conditions are applied in two formats, usually becoming less restrictive over time. Your first firearm certificate will usually have a condition restricting quarry shooting to “land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police, for the area which the land is situated”. This means that any land which you have permission to shoot over must also be approved by the police force for the area in which the land is located prior to shooting taking place. Note that only one suitable piece of land is required as evidence of your “good reason” to obtain a particular firearm, and that you will not be limited to this one piece of land once your certificate has been granted. It is your responsibility to check that any land you have been given permission to shoot over has been checked by the police for that cartridge. If you do not ascertain this, you could be prosecuted for failing to comply with your conditions. David Yes exactly, anything they request thats not written on the certificate is just BS my friend has "any approved land"- the land in question was confirmed as up to .223 rem, he uses a .22 lr so without any other territorial restictions imposed on the actually certificate he is fine. Now if he shot gamebirds with it he would not only never be invited again he would be in breech of his conditions " vermin and ground game" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I find that having a heated discussion with the firearms department is very similar to when it kicks off with the mrs. Generally there is no explaination as to why they are being difficult. Sometimes I don't think there is a reason other than because they want to feel important. The ground doesn't need to be added to any file. If it is cleared then it is deemed suitable as required by the FAC wording. Edit... Kent, you don't really expect someone in your firearms department to admit that they are wrong do you? Good luck with that! Edited July 11, 2012 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I find that having a heated discussion with the firearms department is very similar to when it kicks off with the mrs. Generally there is no explaination as to why they are being difficult. Sometimes I don't think there is a reason other than because they want to feel important. The ground doesn't need to be added to any file. If it is cleared then it is deemed suitable as required by the FAC wording. Edit... Kent, you don't really expect someone in your firearms department to admit that they are wrong do you? Good luck with that! Actually i found the words "there is no right or wrong on this one" hillarious hence the post. Yep just like the MRS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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