timps Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Fair enough, I only bothered to find out as I wanted to know if I could shoot HP steel from one of my guns as well. Form what I gleaned the CIP went for a higher service pressure on their proof test rather than a higher burst test. So although they both have a 1370 burst test the service pressure is much higher for the CIP proof test due to the bigger and harder steel shot used compared to lead in the different proof process. As I say I don't think for one second your gun would fail the test and I have no idea which proof system is better just informing people what I found. It's a bit ironic that the best information comes form a country that doesn't even have any proof laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Alfred, in my experience of Italian shotguns, Perazzi, Beretta and Gamba, they have the barrel weight stamped on them and I think you'll find that it's actually 1.490kg not 1490kg. The proof pressure figure isn't stamped on them see my post above re one of my Perazzi's and pressure. You may be right, I'm going to ask in the local shop, they used to be the Zoli importers until the main man retired and handed it to EB, so if anyone knows then hopefully he will. From working in Italy I know that instead of a comma they use a full stop with figures, so instead of 1,490 they print it as 1.490 They also don't put a zero on the end if there doesn't need to be one, so 1.490 would be 1.49 However, it may be some tradition in gun making that they ignore the usual format, so as I say you may well be right. As I said either way its moot because I won't be putting big steel loads through it anyway, even if it was stamped. I also can't see the point in sending barrels off to be re-proofed. It they fail under test then thats your barrels knackered and if they pass then you've only got back what you started with. There are plenty of options to not have to use big steel loads, admittedly some are expensive but £25 for a box is a small outlay compared to the capital you put into your gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) The point about sending them away to be reproofed is purely from a safety point of view, if it fails in the proof house not a problem, if it fails whilst held in your hands and next to your face there could be dire consequences for your wellbeing. Edit : I get what you are saying when I re read your post, you understand the safety just don't see the point of the financial risk just to shoot HP steel. Edited December 7, 2013 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 You may be right, I'm going to ask in the local shop, they used to be the Zoli importers until the main man retired and handed it to EB, so if anyone knows then hopefully he will. From working in Italy I know that instead of a comma they use a full stop with figures, so instead of 1,490 they print it as 1.490 They also don't put a zero on the end if there doesn't need to be one, so 1.490 would be 1.49 However, it may be some tradition in gun making that they ignore the usual format, so as I say you may well be right. As I said either way its moot because I won't be putting big steel loads through it anyway, even if it was stamped. I also can't see the point in sending barrels off to be re-proofed. It they fail under test then thats your barrels knackered and if they pass then you've only got back what you started with. There are plenty of options to not have to use big steel loads, admittedly some are expensive but £25 for a box is a small outlay compared to the capital you put into your gun. My three Perazzi's all have the weight stamped to three decimal places as did my Beretta. If you've got a set of digital kitchen scales you could always weigh the barrels yourself, there's obviously going to be some discrepancy but it'll be reasonably similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 The point about sending them away to be reproofed is purely from a safety point of view, if it fails in the proof house not a problem, if it fails whilst held in your hands and next to your face there could be dire consequences for your wellbeing. Edit : I get what you are saying when I re read your post, you understand the safety just don't see the point of the financial risk just to shoot HP steel. Yep, thats what I meant. If you're in any way not sure (which is where I'm at) then don't put HP steel through them. There are alternatives to use and its just not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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