jacew Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Hi I going to go out with my New toy, NS50 ...Any tips on foxing with one of these is there anything different that I may or may not have to?? Any top tips would be great. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 A bit more background would help, what gun is it on, what distances do you expect fox, are you walking the fields or waiting for it to turn up? The NS50 is very useful/good, but only in certain circumstances would it be first choice over the NS200, thats why I'm trying to get a better picture of your situation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 lol what you doing fox spotting,,, these are not for anything more than airrifles, unless you got a big back stop and able to get foxes in front of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacew Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 sorry about the lack of info reading back i see your point walking and sitting around, using 223. obvisouly dependent on line of sight i can shoot out to 150 mtrs with ease.. not sure about the NS200?? im not sure about the style of shooting using the monitor?? But each to their own, I actully like the ND50 the green laser fills the objective and illuminates the target nicely..Just wondered really if their is any top tips for foxing with a laser compared to the usual lamping techniques.. Thanks again J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 i had nd3 x 50 subzero pretty good had good results as you say feels objestive up nicely. shines very far,,,,, loves the batteries tho. i now have pulsar n750 and nightmaster 800 lamp which id recomend but not cheap you can make your own ns200 for fraction of cost and far far better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 i had nd3 x 50 subzero pretty good had good results as you say feels objestive up nicely. shines very far,,,,, loves the batteries tho. i now have pulsar n750 and nightmaster 800 lamp which id recomend but not cheap you can make your own ns200 for fraction of cost and far far better That is more than a bit of an exageration! If indeed it were true then why don't you make them and sell them and put NiteSite out of business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 That is more than a bit of an exageration! If indeed it were true then why don't you make them and sell them and put NiteSite out of business! first off have you heard of nite eye? these are allready making and selling cheaper ! secondly loads of people have made there own and better read the forums my friend, ive made on the top nightvision attached to my lightforce with ir filter and using a watec 902camers cheap 16mm lense and a £25 screen from ebay attached to my rearview mirror. first off have you heard of nite eye? these are allready making and selling cheaper ! secondly loads of people have made there own and better read the forums my friend, ive made on the top nightvision attached to my lightforce with ir filter and using a watec 902camers cheap 16mm lense and a £25 screen from ebay attached to my rearview mirror. dekers please join nightvisionforum.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 i had nd3 x 50 subzero pretty good had good results as you say feels objestive up nicely. shines very far,,,,, loves the batteries tho. i now have pulsar n750 and nightmaster 800 lamp which id recomend but not cheap you can make your own ns200 for fraction of cost and far far better That is more than a bit of an exageration! If indeed it were true then why don't you make them and sell them and put NiteSite out of business! first off have you heard of nite eye? these are allready making and selling cheaper ! secondly loads of people have made there own and better read the forums my friend, ive made on the top nightvision attached to my lightforce with ir filter and using a watec 902camers cheap 16mm lense and a £25 screen from ebay attached to my rearview mirror. dekers please join nightvisionforum.co.uk I am well aware of other NiteSite "Copies" and I am well aware that you can knock something up yourself...... you said.... you can make your own ns200 for fraction of cost and far far better, I am yet to see anything far far better! and as I also said....... If indeed it were true then why don't you make them and sell them and put NiteSite out of business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I am well aware of other NiteSite "Copies" and I am well aware that you can knock something up yourself...... you said.... you can make your own ns200 for fraction of cost and far far better, I am yet to see anything far far better! and as I also said....... If indeed it were true then why don't you make them and sell them and put NiteSite out of business! starting a buisness is not easy i dont have £££££s to buy machines, staff, stock, testing , etc etc like i said join nightvision forum as there is better! and like i also said niteeye are also making nv add on with screens for £350 thtas £250 cheaper than ns200 and as to copies of nite site they was not the first people to make these add ons but unfortunatley for some they are/have put a patent out there against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 starting a buisness is not easy i dont have £££££s to buy machines, staff, stock, testing , etc etc like i said join nightvision forum as there is better! and like i also said niteeye are also making nv add on with screens for £350 thtas £250 cheaper than ns200 and as to copies of nite site they was not the first people to make these add ons but unfortunatley for some they are/have put a patent out there against it Chap, my only issue is this FAR FAR better business, not the fact you can do it or buy them cheaper, making these night vision systems has been discussed here and on many other forums numerous times, some of them are even quite reasonable, but none are FAR FAR Better that I have seen! Nite Site also offer two sizes of scope mount and two sizes of camera mounting tubes as well as a carry box, my opinion is that it is also better made than the Nite Eye. I am not for one second saying this is worth £250 more, and the Nite Eye seems a pretty fair product to me, I simply come back to the fact that I have seen nothing FAR FAR Better, the fact a product may cost less does not make it FAR FAR better, it simply makes it cheaper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 i dont understamd where you are coming from pal! the way i say better is i mean see further, clearer better ir etc etc im not talking build quality but the ns200 is also improveable, ie better mounting system adjustable screen better ir, but hey ho each for there own, i have owned ns200 and also got homebrew as people seem to call it, and with £600 i could go and buy the most exspensive bits i want and still have couple hundred change id buy watec 902h night master 800ir screen from the auction site and cobra merlin mount small lithiom battery so buy doing this theres an ir and camera that sees further and a screen that has adjustable brightness and not some silly dangling wire, when i get time i will take a pic from in my truck of what it can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacew Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 hi guys its not how to make a better / cheaper night site that im interested in, LOL its the difference in techniques between using a NS or lamping cheers J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Firstly you can take your time. Foxes are generally patient when not suspicious or disturbed. I shot a vixen the other night that was sitting in the middle of a freshly drilled field, playing with a dead rat. The NV will give you a chance to sit and observe then wait for the ideal shot to present itself. It's interesting observing their behaviour. I record them as soon as I see them so I can re-watch on the laptop at home. I've learnt a fair bit about them like this. You may still need to stop them occasionally with a quick squeak to get their attention with may have the added benefit of bringing them closer. Failing that a quick "Oi!" or whatever you use. Stick to shooting on foot and whenever possible have a good backdrop and try not to be silhouetted or lit up. That said, I shot two on a full moon on Friday night and neither were concerned about my presence. If you apply good basic fieldcraft and take your time you will find your results improve dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacew Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Thanks now that makes sense, especially the fieldcraft part.. Do yo find it just been in the right place at the right time or do you find them best in particular locations or is it a matter of just finding them out and about? I have open fields on my permission but then aslo have a dale where in all fairness is where iv seen one.. The farmer said he's seen then all over so where is best to start? And how would it be best to start my evening? Should I start with sqeeking or just walk round slowly or sit tight.. Thanks J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 If you're out during last light you can be seen more easily so I'd be reluctant to move too much unless you have good cover and take it steady. On the other hand time spent looking for fox runs, earths, and other signs such as carcasses, fox poo etc could be time well spent but the more you move around the more your scent will be apparent once the foxes are out and about. This in turn will make them more wary. Once dark I tend to have a steady 'patrol' around the area and stop to scan on high ground or areas with a good view. Squeaking can work very well and will no doubt bring something to you, especially if you're not shining an obvious light (IR will be slightly visible as a red glow) in the direction of the fox. The flip side of it is it will alert any particularly wary foxes that may have been squeaked and shot at before to your presence. One of the huge benefits of NV is it will allow you to remain unseen to these foxes and take them when they are unaware of you. It's all about weighing up what you want out of the evening, how far you're prepared to travel whilst shooting and how much 'risk' as such you're prepared to take. The risk factor being that everytime you shoot, plan ahead for the next time. For instance: -do your utmost to ensure you hit everything you shoot at otherwise all you have done is educate the fox -if you squeak be wary of foxes approaching from multiple directions. If you shoot one and the other takes flight then again you have educated it. Trial and error is the name of the game but the most important thing is learn from your mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacew Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Thanks for the info J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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