SEEKING PUNTGUN & GUNNING PUNT PLANS

[Penelope]

Hence the 'of sorts' comment.

 

Respectfully, this "punt" was based on a design from Hawkers book and was based upon his "light boat." The boat itself was intened to be used by a third man who, in those muzzle loading days, would assist with shooting the cripples and would carry the shot birds ashore to leave some space in the punt itself.

 

This craft was never intended to carry a punt gun and does not have the same handling characteristics as a proper punt, despite being pointed at both ends.

 

Willock and Hargreaves cheerfully conceded that they erred on the side of caution when building their "punt" and subsequently admitted that it`s handling, by comparison to a proper punt, was utterly dire.

 

You would`nt want to spend a lot of time and money on building a boat of this style for use with a big gun. It simple does not work.

[satx78247]

mudpatten; Penelope; All,

 

Thanks "mud" & Penelope for your comments

 

To All: I talked by phone today to Mr. Peter Lesher. Curator of Watercraft of The Chesapeake Maritime Museum. - Mr. Lesher believes that the museum MAY have some sets of complete/vintage plans, for both 2-man and one-man gun-punts, "put away in storage".

 

He state that he would try to locate same & I will let you know, what he finds, when I know. - Should he find such plans, I will buy a set of one/both plans & share the information with whomever needs them.

 

yours, satx

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Good result, let's hope he can find them

[satx78247]

TIGHTCHOKE,

 

AGREED. ====> I have my fingers crossed that the museum still has the plans & that Mr. Lesher can find them.

(I know for a fact that a secretary, about 5 years ago, threw out some 500+ pages of "old stuff that nobody wanted", including the lines drawn from some of the 1920-1940 era Chesapeake Bay "buy boats". - RE-drawing those "line drawings" cost $$$$$$$$$.)

 

Also, according to THE BALTIMORE SUN, last year, "-------- persons unknown removed many documents and objects of historical interest from the museum's storage facility."

 

yours, satx

Edited August 9, 2013 by satx78247

[satx78247]

rjimmer; All,

 

Fwiw, as I was stationed with the forces in several nations, where firearms in private hands are "severely restricted" or unlawful. - In those nations the "preferred weapons of violent criminals and ,mass-murderers" are ARSON, POISONS & EXPLOSIVES.

(Does anyone think that it's safer for armed lunatics & criminal predators to use those methods of mayhem, while "practicing their profession"?)

 

yours, satx

[satx78247]

Penelope; All,

 

For those of you who wonder "what on Earth are they talking about", you should read THE WATERMEN by James A Michener (It is an except of his large novel, CHESAPEAKE). THE WATERMEN (1979) includes numerous drawings, photographs and other materials that were "deleted from" CHESAPEAKE by the original publisher.

 

Penelope: IF I build a smaller version of THE TWOMBLEY, at least the nation that I'm retiring to won't require me to put-in "lawn statuary".

(CHUCKLE.)

 

yours, satx

[SuperGoose75]

Penelope; All,

 

For those of you who wonder "what on Earth are they talking about", you should read THE WATERMEN by James A Michener (It is an except of his large novel, CHESAPEAKE). THE WATERMEN (1979) includes numerous drawings, photographs and other materials that were "deleted from" CHESAPEAKE by the original publisher.

 

Penelope: IF I build a smaller version of THE TWOMBLEY, at least the nation that I'm retiring to won't require me to put-in "lawn statuary".

(CHUCKLE.)

 

yours, satx

Hi satx' if you get that puntgun Sorted watch out for them pflaums..

 

I have to ask' Are you a Turlock or a Caveny ..?In which I mean' Are you a Chessie or a lab man ..?

[Penelope]

 

 

Thanks for the heads up on the 'Waterman', I'll see if can track down a copy.

 

Michener's 'Chesapeake' is one of my all time favourite novels.

 

Penelope; All,

 

For those of you who wonder "what on Earth are they talking about", you should read THE WATERMEN by James A Michener (It is an except of his large novel, CHESAPEAKE). THE WATERMEN (1979) includes numerous drawings, photographs and other materials that were "deleted from" CHESAPEAKE by the original publisher.

 

Penelope: IF I build a smaller version of THE TWOMBLEY, at least the nation that I'm retiring to won't require me to put-in "lawn statuary".

(CHUCKLE.)

 

yours, satx

 

Hi satx' if you get that puntgun Sorted watch out for them pflaums..

 

I have to ask' Are you a Turlock or a Caveny ..?In which I mean' Are you a Chessie or a lab man ..?

[satx78247]

SuperGoose75,

 

Inasmuch as my forefathers were mostly AMERICAN INDIANS & OUTLAWS, I'd presume that I'd be more of "a Turlock" than "a Caveny", though I can read/write.

 

Our first European ancestor came to Virginia literally in chains, as a result of being "transported to His Majesty's Colony in Virginia" for "running off the English King's cattle" in 1678 & as a WORSE punishment than beheading for "High Treason".

(As Robert was a LOWLAND SCOT from the border between England & Scotland, I wonder how he could be a traitor to "Perfidious Albion".)

 

NOTE: One rather amusing thing was that my dear Mother at about age 85 was "quite pleased" that our ancestor was a "Border Lord in the Disputed Lands", until she discovered that a "border lord" was a fellow, who could fall-out a few cousins & friends to go STEAL cattle & horses, across the English border.

 

The other side of our family are all TSALAGIYIs, with a "sprinkling of" CHICAMAUGAS & CHICKASAWS for flavor.

 

BOTH sides fled to Texas to escape the US Army in 1818 (father's side) and 1865 (mother's folks left MS & AL, after Richmond fell to "escape a necktie party", which was planned by the Army's High Command. - Confederate Partisan Rangers "were NOT popular with" the Damnyankees!).

 

FWIW, my general-purpose hunting dog is a rescued "pound puppy" that is evidently mostly Weimeraner or Visla, as "Sheila" has a "bluish-gray coloring" & long hound-like ears.

(Thus I'm NOT "in the continuing war" between Chessie & Lab men.)

"Sheila" is trained as a "Totenkopfhund" & is PURE DEATH on "lost game" from birds to whitetail deer. = She seldom will retrieve game but "bays the dead" until you come to her.

(Believe it or not, my "single bird specialist" once was a spayed BORDER COLLIE bitch, who may well have been smarter than I was/am. - I cannot remember a single downed quail that ever escaped "Bounce". - I suspect that "Bounce" is still finding wounded birds on the Trail of Stars & will have me a goodly pile waiting, when I arrive at her assigned station & wondering why I'm so late to the hunt.)

 

In case you haven't figured out, my favorite novel is CHESAPEAKE.

(I've actually MET & had lunch the Real-life "Turlock the Pirate" at St Michaels MD & he has "done quite well" in the real estate game.)

 

NOTE2: I still have heard nothing from Peter Lesher at the CBMM, so I fear that the "gunning-skiff plans" are lost.

 

yours, satx

[satx78247]

Penelope,

 

FYI, http://www,amazon.com has a VERY GOOD, stated 1st edition, copy with dust jacket right now, including S&H for 11.94USD.

 

THE WATERMEN was published in 1979 by Random House Publishers. - The book has 193 pages including photographs & pen & ink drawings.

 

yours, satx

[SuperGoose75]

SuperGoose75,

 

Inasmuch as my forefathers were mostly AMERICAN INDIANS & OUTLAWS, I'd presume that I'd be more of "a Turlock" than "a Caveny", though I can read/write.

 

Our first European ancestor came to Virginia literally in chains, as a result of being "transported to His Majesty's Colony in Virginia" for "running off the English King's cattle" in 1678 & as a WORSE punishment than beheading for "High Treason".

(As Robert was a LOWLAND SCOT from the border between England & Scotland, I wonder how he could be a traitor to "Perfidious Albion".)

 

NOTE: One rather amusing thing was that my dear Mother at about age 85 was "quite pleased" that our ancestor was a "Border Lord in the Disputed Lands", until she discovered that a "border lord" was a fellow, who could fall-out a few cousins & friends to go STEAL cattle & horses, across the English border.

 

The other side of our family are all TSALAGIYIs, with a "sprinkling of" CHICAMAUGAS & CHICKASAWS for flavor.

 

BOTH sides fled to Texas to escape the US Army in 1818 (father's side) and 1865 (mother's folks left MS & AL, after Richmond fell to "escape a necktie party", which was planned by the Army's High Command. - Confederate Partisan Rangers "were NOT popular with" the Damnyankees!).

 

FWIW, my general-purpose hunting dog is a rescued "pound puppy" that is evidently mostly Weimeraner or Visla, as "Sheila" has a "bluish-gray coloring" & long hound-like ears.

(Thus I'm NOT "in the continuing war" between Chessie & Lab men.)

"Sheila" is trained as a "Totenkopfhund" & is PURE DEATH on "lost game" from birds to whitetail deer. = She seldom will retrieve game but "bays the dead" until you come to her.

(Believe it or not, my "single bird specialist" once was a spayed BORDER COLLIE bitch, who may well have been smarter than I was/am. - I cannot remember a single downed quail that ever escaped "Bounce". - I suspect that "Bounce" is still finding wounded birds on the Trail of Stars & will have me a goodly pile waiting, when I arrive at her assigned station & wondering why I'm so late to the hunt.)

 

In case you haven't figured out, my favorite novel is CHESAPEAKE.

(I've actually MET & had lunch the Real-life "Turlock the Pirate" at St Michaels MD & he has "done quite well" in the real estate game.)

 

NOTE2: I still have heard nothing from Peter Lesher at the CBMM, so I fear that the "gunning-skiff plans" are lost.

 

yours, satx

Interesting stuff indeed satx

 

I can relate to the Collie being used as Gun/bird dogs..!! My father always used and loved Collie's for shooting. I only just remember his favourite as I was very young' but i still have a vision of him.

The one I do remember as i shot over him when I was a lad' was A brown/red and white tpye one. He could hunt cover as good as any spaniel,Drop to shot,retrieve land and water and had a fantastic nose. His draw backs where' he was true to his hair Colour' being a bad tempered sort' Always willing to Scrap with other dogs.When he did retrieve a bird and came up Close' he would snarl if you tried to take it from him and I usually had to distract him by throwing a stick or stone so he would chase after it'thus leaving the bird so I could claim it. My father had him well trained' but he would often escape and go walk abouts.We live in the country and in them days their was not much traffic about' but I would always find him as when looking for him in the dark I would always look out for Eyes in the hedge' as when a car was passing he would climb up into the side of the hedge and lay down until the car passed' as that is what my father had him trained to do..So When i seen a pair of eyes lighting up in the dark as the car passed' I knew i had found him.Another one of his talents "and this may sound a tall tale" but I can assure you that it is true...He could retrieve Stones from a shallow stoney bottomed flowing river' by putting his head under the water and retrieving the very stone that was thrown for him. we know this because we marked some of the stones we threw for him. That was 20 or more yrs ago' but I can still see him running out on a small pier and leaping off and splashing into the water' then treading water barking up at me to throw something for him to retrieve.!! A very intelligent dog is The Collie.

[satx78247]

SuperGoose75,

 

INTERESTING! = I'm glad to hear that I'm NOT the only "lunatic" here, who has used a collie for a bird/gun dog. And YES I believe the stone retrieving story, as my "Bounce" was at least as smart as I was.

(Btw, "Bounce" was given to me when she was 7 weeks old by a "well-regarded NM sheepdog breeder" (with the understanding that she would NOT be bred), who obviously thought her (despite her impeccable herding bloodlines), to be "of little account" and "of little likely future use". = She was "the runt of the litter" & "ungainly to look upon at 7 weeks of age" BUT I awakened one morning to discover that "my ugly duckling" had morphed into "a SWAN". - The breeder saw her some 18 months later and said, "Pity that you had her spayed, as I'd liked to have had a bitch pup out of her and my Rex.)

 

A bit off-topic but a "dog story" and a "retrieving tale": When I was the Deputy Provost Marshal at an Army base in VA, I was called one Spring morning in 1985 by a Provost Sergeant to tell me that a local civilian had been training a 6 month old Springer Spaniel "far out on" the West Range Road, by throwing a "bird-scented dummy".

After several "easy retrieves", which the puppy had done well, the owner threw the dummy far and into the brush. He was quite surprised when the puppy retrieved a woman's arm. - That "find" became the first piece of evidence in a murder case that haunts me still after all these years. After gathering a group of MPs and doing a long search of that area, we recovered all of the deceased's remains, except her head & left foot.

 

Despite many long hours of investigation and a huge amount of investigative funds spent over 9 months, we had exactly ONE piece of "evidence" other than her remains. ===> A clerk at a local grocer stated that he saw a blond woman, who matched the "general description of" the deceased, talking to "an older man" in the store's parking area & that the man/woman were standing near a blue truck. He could give us no other information & was not even sure that the lady/victim was the same woman that he saw.

(Despite the "police shows" on TV and in the films, all too many homicide investigations, usually called "stranger murders", end in exactly that way. = We peace officers/detectives often do not get "our man". - And YES all these years later I'm still "bothered by" not solving "my most notorious case".)

 

yours, satx

Edited August 19, 2013 by satx78247

[SuperGoose75]

SuperGoose75,

 

INTERESTING! = I'm glad to hear that I'm NOT the only "lunatic" here, who has used a collie for a bird/gun dog. And YES I believe the stone retrieving story, as my "Bounce" was at least as smart as I was.

(Btw, "Bounce" was given to me when she was 7 weeks old by a "well-regarded NM sheepdog breeder" (with the understanding that she would NOT be bred), who obviously thought her (despite her impeccable herding bloodlines), to be "of little account" and "of little likely future use". = She was "the runt of the litter" & "ungainly to look upon at 7 weeks of age" BUT I awakened one morning to discover that "my ugly duckling" had morphed into "a SWAN". - The breeder saw her some 18 months later and said, "Pity that you had her spayed, as I'd liked to have had a bitch pup out of her and my Rex.)

 

A bit off-topic but a "dog story" and a "retrieving tale": When I was the Deputy Provost Marshal at an Army base in VA, I was called one Spring morning in 1985 by a Provost Sergeant to tell me that a local civilian had been training a 6 month old Springer Spaniel "far out on" the West Range Road, by throwing a "bird-scented dummy".

After several "easy retrieves", which the puppy had done well, the owner threw the dummy far and into the brush. He was quite surprised when the puppy retrieved a woman's arm. - That "find" became the first piece of evidence in a murder case that haunts me still after all these years. After gathering a group of MPs and doing a long search of that area, we recovered all of the deceased's remains, except her head & left foot.

 

Despite many long hours of investigation and a huge amount of investigative funds spent over 9 months, we had exactly ONE piece of "evidence" other than her remains. ===> A clerk at a local grocer stated that he saw a blond woman, who matched the "general description of" the deceased, talking to "an older man" in the store's parking area & that the man/woman were standing near a blue truck. He could give us no other information & was not even sure that the lady/victim was the same woman that he saw.

(Despite the "police shows" on TV and in the films, all too many homicide investigations, usually called "stranger murders", end in exactly that way. = We peace officers/detectives often do not get "our man". - And YES all these years later I'm still "bothered by" not solving "my most notorious case".)

 

yours, satx

 

That is a gruesome tale indeed satx..What you would have not given for CCTV at the Grocery store..!!

 

ref- The runt of the litter' that is not the 1st story Ive heard of the "Runt " The good for nothing Dog with no prospects of ever becoming a Dog of any value' Turning out to be A Star Dog.

 

SG.

[satx78247]

SuperGoose75,

 

In 1985 "automatic cameras" were not at all common in the USA.

 

Such cameras are NOT nearly as common "on this side of the pond", even in 2013, as they are in the UK, as SOME of our courts have found that "automatic cameras" are "worrying" on privacy grounds, since "some persons might be 'made uncomfortable by being photographed without their knowledge or informed consent'."

 

Consider the following about how UNCOMMON that "commonsense" frequently is in US Courts, in that:

1. A Florida woman, who was unemployed, had no obvious source of income and who was "on public assistance", was awarded the sum of 31,000.ooUSD for a sable coat, that she CLAIMED had been stolen out of her car, which had been "impounded by police, for non-payment of traffic fines", even though there was NO evidence that she had ever owned such an expensive garment,

2. A woman from Baltimore, MD was awarded 625,000.ooUSD for allegedly having had her lips burned by "a hot slice of dill pickle in a sandwich" from a WENDY'S "hamburger joint", even though her own physician testified that she had NOT been burned.

(The forewoman of the jury stated that, "We felt sorry for the woman as she was really, really poor and WENDY'S has 'lots of money & can easily afford to pay her damages for possibly being burned'.")

3. An armed burglar was awarded 120,000.ooUSD for injuring himself, while breaking into a man's home in Los Angeles, California, even though the plaintiff/criminal had been convicted of "housebreaking and grand theft",

4. A man from Houston, TX was "found NOT GUILTY of all charges", in an "aggravated assault case", wherein the victim suffered grievous and permanent bodily harm" because the Bill of Indictment which said that "The accused, Mr. Charles E _________, did feloniously and with malice aforethought, attempt to kick the victim, Mr. Matthew M. W_________ (NOTE: Accused & Victim's last name is redacted here, for reason of privacy.) to death" did NOT specifically state that the accused kicked the victim "with his feet".

(One wonders what, if anything, that the judge was "thinking", as I can think of NO other way that one man could KICK another person, except "with his/her feet".)

and

5. A department store in Boston, MA was successfully sued for "failure to accept a return of purchased merchandise for a cash payment" ("the returned merchandise" was a set of 4 tires for a Honda Civic), even though that store does NOT sell tires.

 

Reference your comment about "the runt of the litter": Agreed, as I know of several "runts" that grew-up to be EXCELLENT gun-dogs. = Puppies frequently turn out to be better/worse than the breeder/owner expects.

 

yours, satx

[SuperGoose75]

SuperGoose75,

 

In 1985 "automatic cameras" were not at all common in the USA.

 

Such cameras are NOT nearly as common "on this side of the pond", even in 2013, as they are in the UK, as SOME of our courts have found that "automatic cameras" are "worrying" on privacy grounds, since "some persons might be 'made uncomfortable by being photographed without their knowledge or informed consent'."

 

Consider the following about how UNCOMMON that "commonsense" frequently is in US Courts, in that:

1. A Florida woman, who was unemployed, had no obvious source of income and who was "on public assistance", was awarded the sum of 31,000.ooUSD for a sable coat, that she CLAIMED had been stolen out of her car, which had been "impounded by police, for non-payment of traffic fines", even though there was NO evidence that she had ever owned such an expensive garment,

2. A woman from Baltimore, MD was awarded 625,000.ooUSD for allegedly having had her lips burned by "a hot slice of dill pickle in a sandwich" from a WENDY'S "hamburger joint", even though her own physician testified that she had NOT been burned.

(The forewoman of the jury stated that, "We felt sorry for the woman as she was really, really poor and WENDY'S has 'lots of money & can easily afford to pay her damages for possibly being burned'.")

3. An armed burglar was awarded 120,000.ooUSD for injuring himself, while breaking into a man's home in Los Angeles, California, even though the plaintiff/criminal had been convicted of "housebreaking and grand theft",

4. A man from Houston, TX was "found NOT GUILTY of all charges", in an "aggravated assault case", wherein the victim suffered grievous and permanent bodily harm" because the Bill of Indictment which said that "The accused, Mr. Charles E _________, did feloniously and with malice aforethought, attempt to kick the victim, Mr. Matthew M. W_________ (NOTE: Accused & Victim's last name is redacted here, for reason of privacy.) to death" did NOT specifically state that the accused kicked the victim "with his feet".

(One wonders what, if anything, that the judge was "thinking", as I can think of NO other way that one man could KICK another person, except "with his/her feet".)

and

5. A department store in Boston, MA was successfully sued for "failure to accept a return of purchased merchandise for a cash payment" ("the returned merchandise" was a set of 4 tires for a Honda Civic), even though that store does NOT sell tires.

 

Reference your comment about "the runt of the litter": Agreed, as I know of several "runts" that grew-up to be EXCELLENT gun-dogs. = Puppies frequently turn out to be better/worse than the breeder/owner expects.

 

yours, satx

 

There is only one word to say to all that "JOKE".

 

Anyhow' Back to Fowling..So Do you Shoot many Ducks and Geese in Texas..? I watched some Dvds of Goose shooting in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico..Lots of specks,canadas and Snows..!!

Would be interesting to hear of your Exploits.

 

S.G.

[satx78247]

SuperGoose75,

 

The short answer is (right now) almost NONE, as I hunt (right now) exclusively with a CROSSBOW for whitetail deer, desert rams and wild hogs.

(There is NO unleased hunting areas for ducks/geese anywhere near here, as the FEW "non-park and game preserve" wetlands are leased. San Antonio is on the edge of the south Texas desert.)

 

When I "had a camp" on the Eastern Shore of MD, prior to retiring from the Army, I hunted Canada geese & ducks essentially every day of the season.

 

Once I get to my "retirement site", I feel sorry for the ducks & geese, as they will be hunted most every day (except Sunday) of the waterfowl season.

 

P.S.: IF you should come to TX for any reason, I'll take you HOG HUNTING. = We have more wild boar than anybody can kill. Also, pardon me for bragging, but our Texas "Russian Boar" grow bigger, faster and are more aggressive, than their cousins back in Mother Russia.

(My friend "Wendy" - we "lease-holders" call her "Guide Girl" and/or "Texas Most Dedicated Huntress"- killed EIGHT wild boar last Saturday on our lease near Mountain Home, TX. Then she & her husband spent most of Saturday night & part of Sunday "dressing & quartering hogs".)

 

NOTE: Russian Boar were imported to Texas in 1896 by "Texas ranchers" to control mesquite brush . They are now considered to be "Texas NATIVES". - I'm convinced that pound for pound that NO animal is more evil tempered and/or harder to kill.

(I have a friend who shot a 250+ KG Boar twice in the chest, with a .375 H&H Mag, and the boar "kept right on charging" = The saying here is: Shoot him TWICE & then again for "insurance". YEP, it took TWO more shots to "put him down" for good.)

 

BTW, "Guide Girl" is the ONLY person, who has EVER taken a Cape Buffalo, in all of Africa, with a crossbow. = She stalked him to within 22M and "put an arrow in one side & out the other", completely severing his aorta. The buff took two steps and "went over on his nose". - In 2010, "GG" also took a 2000+ pound Nile Crocodile with her EXCALIBUR EXOCET X-bow.

(In the late August & September of 2015, I hope to be "El Numero Dos" & I will try to "take a leopard", too, which NOBODY has ever done with a X-bow. Fwiw, I shoot a Horton, 150-pound draw, Yukon XLS.)

 

NOTE: To quote the famous hunter, W.D.M. "Karamoja" Bell, "I am little impressed with how well a sportsman kills Cape Buffalo at 200 yards, but rather how well that he kills at 2 yards."

 

yours, satx

[Penelope]

We imported the same type of madness into the UK.

 

Also, parts of London now resemble Compton, LA with it's lousy gang/black street culture.

 

Any chance we can have something decent from the states please.

 

SuperGoose75,

 

In 1985 "automatic cameras" were not at all common in the USA.

 

Such cameras are NOT nearly as common "on this side of the pond", even in 2013, as they are in the UK, as SOME of our courts have found that "automatic cameras" are "worrying" on privacy grounds, since "some persons might be 'made uncomfortable by being photographed without their knowledge or informed consent'."

 

Consider the following about how UNCOMMON that "commonsense" frequently is in US Courts, in that:

1. A Florida woman, who was unemployed, had no obvious source of income and who was "on public assistance", was awarded the sum of 31,000.ooUSD for a sable coat, that she CLAIMED had been stolen out of her car, which had been "impounded by police, for non-payment of traffic fines", even though there was NO evidence that she had ever owned such an expensive garment,

2. A woman from Baltimore, MD was awarded 625,000.ooUSD for allegedly having had her lips burned by "a hot slice of dill pickle in a sandwich" from a WENDY'S "hamburger joint", even though her own physician testified that she had NOT been burned.

(The forewoman of the jury stated that, "We felt sorry for the woman as she was really, really poor and WENDY'S has 'lots of money & can easily afford to pay her damages for possibly being burned'.")

3. An armed burglar was awarded 120,000.ooUSD for injuring himself, while breaking into a man's home in Los Angeles, California, even though the plaintiff/criminal had been convicted of "housebreaking and grand theft",

4. A man from Houston, TX was "found NOT GUILTY of all charges", in an "aggravated assault case", wherein the victim suffered grievous and permanent bodily harm" because the Bill of Indictment which said that "The accused, Mr. Charles E _________, did feloniously and with malice aforethought, attempt to kick the victim, Mr. Matthew M. W_________ (NOTE: Accused & Victim's last name is redacted here, for reason of privacy.) to death" did NOT specifically state that the accused kicked the victim "with his feet".

(One wonders what, if anything, that the judge was "thinking", as I can think of NO other way that one man could KICK another person, except "with his/her feet".)

and

5. A department store in Boston, MA was successfully sued for "failure to accept a return of purchased merchandise for a cash payment" ("the returned merchandise" was a set of 4 tires for a Honda Civic), even though that store does NOT sell tires.

 

Reference your comment about "the runt of the litter": Agreed, as I know of several "runts" that grew-up to be EXCELLENT gun-dogs. = Puppies frequently turn out to be better/worse than the breeder/owner expects.

 

yours, satx

[satx78247]

Penelope,

 

I rate the chances of the UK receiving "anything good" from the States as between ZERO & MINUS 10, given how utterly dishonest that our current regime demonstrably IS. = The USA is currently "being governed by" a coven of Chicago THUGS, who care about NOTHING & NOBODY except their RICHEST donors.

Barack Obama cares nothing about "the poor", "the blue-collar workers", "the middle class", "the small business owners", nor anyone else except those FEW "BIG Wheels" who BOUGHT him.

(For example, "Obamacare" has been exposed as "welfare" FOR & BY the insurance companies, the huge healthcare corporations and the richest 1% at the expense of the MANY. = Despite what you've probably heard, "Obamacare" will leave between 25-30 MILLION Americans UN-covered by healthcare benefits BUT it will most surely enrich the richest 1%.)

 

And you wonder WHY that I'm soon to be a permanent ex-patriot and am "moving abroad" within a year? - Fyi, I spent a great deal of time stationed abroad, prior to my retirement from the armed forces & I'm headed to Latin America to stay. = Everyday that passes, Belize, Columbia, Costa Rica & Panama look better.

 

yours, satx

Edited August 20, 2013 by satx78247

[satx78247]

Penelope; All,

 

FYI, IF you think that I'm "just blowing smoke" about just how obviously insane that many "public officials & decision-makers" here in the USA currently ARE, consider the following:

 

A 4th Grader (that's a 9 or 10 year old) boy was "Hereby suspended for 5 school days, beginning on May 5th, & a permanent disciplinary note was placed in student's academic record" as a result of bringing an "age appropriate children's book on the American Revolution" to his social studies class, which contained a drawing of a Minuteman holding a musket.

According to an education policy spokeswoman for the White House staff, who was speaking on behalf of the Administration and the US Department of Education:

 

"The image of a deadly weapon in the hands of a soldier might promote violence, gender bias, racism, homophobia and other inappropriate public behavior. Therefore the principal's and "public ethics promotion committee's" disciplinary action against the involved student, who introduced the book into the school-room, is correct under the federal Zero Tolerance Policy and current public law".

 

Also consider the following "Official Policy Statement" of "The Faculty, Staff & Student's Committee on Acceptable Public Ethics & Behavior", by a respected/major public university in New England:

 

"Any member, of the academic community of this institution of higher education, may be suspended, terminated or expelled if such person(s) make any public or private behavior and/or utterance (if such utterance might be overheard by any other person), if such words or actions might tend to make any member of this community feel that they are now or might later be discriminated against on the basis of race, ethnicity, religious belief or lack of religious belief, national origin, gender, appearance, sexual preference and/or identity, social status, financial ability and/or any other thing, which might cause any person to feel unhappy, sad, embarrassed, unappreciated or in any other way less valuable than any other member of the university community."

 

ImVho, MANY, if not most, of current "the leaders" of our republic have "lost their collective minds".

 

just my personal opinions, satx

US Army Military Police, Retired

[SuperGoose75]

SuperGoose75,

 

The short answer is (right now) almost NONE, as I hunt (right now) exclusively with a CROSSBOW for whitetail deer, desert rams and wild hogs.

(There is NO unleased hunting areas for ducks/geese anywhere near here, as the FEW "non-park and game preserve" wetlands are leased. San Antonio is on the edge of the south Texas desert.)

 

When I "had a camp" on the Eastern Shore of MD, prior to retiring from the Army, I hunted Canada geese & ducks essentially every day of the season.

 

Once I get to my "retirement site", I feel sorry for the ducks & geese, as they will be hunted most every day (except Sunday) of the waterfowl season.

 

P.S.: IF you should come to TX for any reason, I'll take you HOG HUNTING. = We have more wild boar than anybody can kill. Also, pardon me for bragging, but our Texas "Russian Boar" grow bigger, faster and are more aggressive, than their cousins back in Mother Russia.

(My friend "Wendy" - we "lease-holders" call her "Guide Girl" and/or "Texas Most Dedicated Huntress"- killed EIGHT wild boar last Saturday on our lease near Mountain Home, TX. Then she & her husband spent most of Saturday night & part of Sunday "dressing & quartering hogs".)

 

NOTE: Russian Boar were imported to Texas in 1896 by "Texas ranchers" to control mesquite brush . They are now considered to be "Texas NATIVES". - I'm convinced that pound for pound that NO animal is more evil tempered and/or harder to kill.

(I have a friend who shot a 250+ KG Boar twice in the chest, with a .375 H&H Mag, and the boar "kept right on charging" = The saying here is: Shoot him TWICE & then again for "insurance". YEP, it took TWO more shots to "put him down" for good.)

 

BTW, "Guide Girl" is the ONLY person, who has EVER taken a Cape Buffalo, in all of Africa, with a crossbow. = She stalked him to within 22M and "put an arrow in one side & out the other", completely severing his aorta. The buff took two steps and "went over on his nose". - In 2010, "GG" also took a 2000+ pound Nile Crocodile with her EXCALIBUR EXOCET X-bow.

(In the late August & September of 2015, I hope to be "El Numero Dos" & I will try to "take a leopard", too, which NOBODY has ever done with a X-bow. Fwiw, I shoot a Horton, 150-pound draw, Yukon XLS.)

 

NOTE: To quote the famous hunter, W.D.M. "Karamoja" Bell, "I am little impressed with how well a sportsman kills Cape Buffalo at 200 yards, but rather how well that he kills at 2 yards."

 

yours, satx

 

Thanks for that satx' it all sounds great but I have to be honest and say that Im not much of a rifle man and know even less about crossbow hunting' I am chiefly a shotgun/wing shooter.

The big Boars sound like an awesome beasts and would be a fine prize'I can just imagine them roasting on a spit' makes my mouth Water.

Again I will be truthfully honest and say that i wouldnt be much in favour of Shooting Big Cats or any form of Trophy Hunting..Deers,rams and the like are fine as they will no doubt be used as Meat.

However It is not for me to Question any other mans way of life or his cultures and it is an Argument I dont really want to get into.

 

Your lady friend' sounds Quite a woman' A far cry from most of the Squeamish Sorts we have over here.

On the subject of ladys' A gal from Texas won the coveted Crown of "THE Rose of Tralee" lastnight in County Kerry..!! A 25yr old from Dallas with Irish connections.

 

I do intend/hope to get over to the states at some stage and would love to explore the south..Alabama,Arkansas ,Virginia,Dakota ect..Im just an Old redneck boy at heart and admire their lifestyle.!!

Also I am a big Western movie fan and would love to see the "monuments" wher all them great movies where Filmed.

 

SG.

[satx78247]

SuperGoose75,

 

YEP. The younger boars are great on the BBQ pit. The pigs under 60KG are the best "eating". - There may be people who like BBQ pork as well as I do but likely none who like it better.

 

As to trophy hunting, leopards are in NO danger of being rare. = According to the World Wildlife Fund (NO fan of hunting OR of eating meat!), there are MORE leopards in Africa in 2013 than there was 400 years ago. Recently, a leopard had to be shot by police out of a man's back garden in downtown Durbin, SA. Several other leopards have been removed by police from the central business district of Johannesburg over the last few years.

(FYI, leopards see people only as slow moving, tasty and "easily caught" protein and nothing more than that.)

 

African nations (including those who, like you are not pro trophy hunting,) are coming to the conclusion that licensed Big Game Hunting provides necessary needed "foreign exchange", much needed hard cash to the game departments (including money to control poaching), stimulates considerable related sales & other business activity, employs many poor folks and generally licenses for leopards, as trophies, are "one to a customer".

(To quote the famous American author & hunter, Robert C. Ruark, said with more than a little understatement, "The cost of any of the big cats is considerable". = The gross amount of a 30 day leopard hunt is approximately 5-7,000.ooUSD plus about 1500.ooUSD for a "single animal license".)

Further, NONE of the African game departments will issue a license for any species, which is either threatened or endangered NOR will CITES will issue an export license for ANY threatened or endangered species.

(May I recommend that you get and read Ruark's famous books: HORN OF THE HUNTER and USE ENOUGH GUN. - Those 2 books are "a good read".)

 

Reference crossbow hunting: I started hunting with a crossbow because I could no longer draw a longbow or compound bow , due to my "armed services connected physical disability". Further, I find archery (of all sorts) to be far more challenging than hunting with any firearm.

(For starters, you have to stalk the quarry to within about 30-40M to have a chance at taking the game.)

 

Note on "Wendy's" Cape Buffalo: Our "dedicated huntress" took the head, hide and about 200KG of meat. The rest of the edible meat went within another half hour to "local eaters", who appeared with containers to finish butchering the animal, "like magic". - "GG" told me that within 2 hours of her taking the Buff that, "There was NO edible meat left. Only a pile of bones was left for the scavengers."

 

Reference, The 2013 Rose of Tralee: Great looking young lady. - I had no idea that there was such a beauty pageant.

(Note: Ireland is busily recruiting US & Canadian Armed Forces retirees to emigrate to Ireland. - Fyi, I have been contacted by a total of 8 "foreign embassies" over the last year, which are "recruiting" what are called "pensionados", to retire to their nation. Those nations, as of today, are: Costa Rica, Ecuador, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nicaragua, Panama, Philippines and Thailand.)

 

yours, satx

[satx78247]

To ALL,

 

As of 1930CST, Saturday, 24AUG13, I have heard NOTHING from Mr. Peter Lesher of the CBMM. - I would presume that that means that there are no longer any gunning punt plans at the CBMM Storage Area. = PITY.

 

yours, satx

Edited August 25, 2013 by satx78247

[satx78247]

To All "punt-gun fans",

 

Inasmuch as I've not found any actual "plans for a punt-gun" but have looked carefully at numerous big guns in US museums and have read every book that I've been able to find on the subject, I'm currently planning on "going my own way" & designing my own punt-gun from what little that I know.

(Black powder handguns, rifles and shotguns are fairly uncomplicated machines.)

 

Just this morning I found a new "old stock" Allen & Wheelock- style "under-lever" percussion action and complete lock, upon which to base my "experiment" & at an affordable price.

 

Now, I need to locate a size #11 musket nipple, a suitable drum (which is bored/threaded to match the nipple), a proper sized "tap and die" to match the size of the drum and a suitable length of 2-inch outside diameter, hot-rolled, thick-wall, high-pressure steam-pipe for the barrel.

(I have no idea what is used in the UK for a punt-gun barrel but "high-pressure steam-pipe" was used successfully for punt-gun barrels for decades in the USA, as NO black powder shotgun of any gauge/caliber will generate enough pressure to rupture thick-wall/high-pressure steam-pipe.)

 

Once I "get farther into" the "home gun-smithing project", I let everyone know how my project is going.

 

yours, satx