Additional Conditions for SGC and FAC

[wymberley]

I don't wish to side track the AOLQ thread as everyone is having such fun. However, I think I made a good point which got lost in the main thrust of the debate.

 

Does anyone have any entries in the additional conditions section of their shotgun certificate? (I don't)

 

If not, could this be because they would be statutory in nature - unless, of course you have and they are indeed of that ilk?

 

Would not adding the one word, 'statutory' which is the only difference between the FA and SG certificates in this respect, ensure that the problem of discrepancies on FACs between constabularies - and indeed between FEOs in any one constabulary - and which we all find abhorrent would be resolved by virtue of the fact that any conditions would therefore have to be both standardised and legal?

[Steel100]

Wymberley,

 

As far as I'm aware, the only additional condition that can go onto a SGC is in respect of collecting 'walking stick' / 'umbrella' type shotguns.

 

Andrew

[wymberley]

Wymberley,

 

As far as I'm aware, the only additional condition that can go onto a SGC is in respect of collecting 'walking stick' / 'umbrella' type shotguns.

 

Andrew

Yep, because of their nature and not qualifying as a FAC item.

[CharlieT]

Have a read of this extract from "The Guidance" and all will be revealed !!

 

Conditions on Shotgun Certificates

11.17 Section 28(2)(a) of the 1968 Act provides that a shotgun certificate shall be granted or

renewed subject to any prescribed conditions and no others. The 1998 Rules as amended,

together with other relevant provisions set out on the certificate, provide that a shotgun

certificate shall be granted or renewed subject to the following conditions:

(i) the holder must, on receipt of the certificate, sign it in ink with his/her usual signature;

(ii) the holder of the certificate must, within seven days, inform the chief officer of police by

whom it was granted of the theft, loss or destruction in Great Britain of the certificate

(as corrected by the Firearms (Amendment) Rules 2005);

(iii) the holder of the certificate must, without undue delay, inform the chief officer of police

by whom the certificate was granted of any change in his/her permanent address;

(iv)

(a) that any shotgun to which the certificate relates must at all times (except in the

circumstances set out at (b) below) be stored securely so as to prevent, as far as is

reasonably practicable, access to the shotguns by an unauthorised person;

(b) where a shotgun to which the certificate relates is in use or the holder of the

certificate has the shotgun with him/her for the purpose of cleaning, repairing or

testing it or for some other purpose connected with its use, transfer or sale, or the

gun is in transit to or from a place in connection with its use or any such purpose,

reasonable precautions must be taken for the safe custody of the gun (see chapter

19 for additional information).

11.18 The prescribed conditions for shotgun certificates are similar to those prescribed for firearm

certificates. When notification of a change of address to another police area is received,

the chief officer of police of that area should be sent the relevant documents, or copies

of them, and a reference to the removal should be retained by the issuing force. The

certificate holder should retain the original certificate until such time as the new force is

able to issue a replacement whereupon it should be exchanged.

11.19 It should be noted that chief officers of police are not empowered (as they are with firearm

certificates) to impose any conditions of their own on shotgun certificates. However, rule

5(5) of the 1998 Rules and section 5A(3) of the 1968 Act (as amended) provides that when

a shotgun which is disguised as another object, is possessed, purchased or acquired by

the holder of a shotgun certificate, the certificate shall be subject to an additional condition

restricting the use of that shotgun to use for that purpose. The most common shotgun of

this kind will be the walking-stick shotgun or the umbrella shotgun.

[wymberley]

My point exactly. The space is there for essential/legitimate use and not to satisfy the whim of every Tom, Richard or Harry working under the title of FEO or above.

 

Again, the solution to what we all see as a ridiculous situation is so simple that it is only possible to conclude that any desire to rectify it is not on the authority's agenda.

[CharlieT]

 

it is only possible to conclude that any desire to rectify it is not on the authority's agenda.

 

That sums it up nicely.