17 hornet.

[daz2202]

Well I've now been waiting for 9 months for ruger or cz to bring in there guns in this calibre. I even had a deposit on a cz which I was told I would get in September but the dealer has given it back to me as they cannot get one as promised

 

Spoke to both Edgar and Viking arms today. Neither can give me a date. Not even a guess when they will get them.

 

So do I just bite the bullet (excuse the pun) and go get a savage. I just thought it felt cheap. But how long do I wait for a calibre that I really fancy.

 

Who's got a savage and are you happy with it

[Kes]

Well I've now been waiting for 9 months for ruger or cz to bring in there guns in this calibre. I even had a deposit on a cz which I was told I would get in September but the dealer has given it back to me as they cannot get one as promised

 

Spoke to both Edgar and Viking arms today. Neither can give me a date. Not even a guess when they will get them.

 

So do I just bite the bullet (excuse the pun) and go get a savage. I just thought it felt cheap. But how long do I wait for a calibre that I really fancy.

 

Who's got a savage and are you happy with it

I am in exactly the same position as you - I have tried the Savage and as the gunshop said - Savage by name and savage by nature - a plastic bolt cap for £600 - no thanks CZ for me when I can get one.

I'd stick with it and if you have a friend in the US get them to send you a CZ - the market is huge over there and they have had them there for months.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Kes

[daz2202]

I am in exactly the same position as you - I have tried the Savage and as the gunshop said - Savage by name and savage by nature - a plastic bolt cap for £600 - no thanks CZ for me when I can get one.

I'd stick with it and if you have a friend in the US get them to send you a CZ - the market is huge over there and they have had them there for months.

Cz have a tooling problem and could be sometime. I think ruger will be first. I have looked at importing but the cost is astranomical.

[DaveK]

I hate to damage myths about `tooling problems` but the reason they are running late is purely down to US demand.

 

THEY ARE HERE, Edgar brothers contacted me a couple of weeks ago about getting a CZ on test and mine is on it's way so keep the faith, they shouldn't be too much monger.

 

Monger Chris? Freudian slip? Let me know when yours arrives and I'll pop over for a look.

[kent]

Sounds like you might be better building one from a .22 Hornet CZ or just get the .22 version, with all this going on about getting one makes you wonder how long the ammo will remain available and how many will stock factory loads.

 

I don't buy these excuses and feel its UK importers waiting for the right price on a shipment exchange wise, I bet if dealers could go direct they would have been with us 6mnths back

[DaveK]

I don't want to see yours now Chris. Gonna get Kent to build me one instead.

[zx10mike]

had a savage hornet,would not buy another.paitience will pay off

[CharlieT]

Yes, I have one, had it over a year now.

 

It may not appeal in the glamour stakes but boy can it shoot. Consistent tight groups from the outset, little finger nail groups at 100 yards are easy.

I have been carrying it with me everyday doing my rounds, it fits on the dash of the Gator, and used it for just about all vermin to good effect at distances, so far, upto around 275 yds.

 

The bolt lift on firing was initially very heavy but after around 100 rounds it improved and became fine.

 

It is quiet, light, accurate and hits with authority, plenty good enough for my needs.

 

I have a heavy barreled .204 which I love and was thinking of having my T3 .222 re barreled into a light .204 to carry in the Gator but decided to try the Savage .17H to see how I got on with it. I'm so pleased with it I shan't bother with a second .204.

 

Incidentally, I dropped it in the mud the other day and I really mean mud. When I went back to the yard to fill up with corn I washed it under the tap then blew it off with the airline and carried on feeding and shot fox on a feed ride moments later. Plastic it may seem but it sure is practical !

[kent]

I have better things to do than build rifles I did spend a number of years hanging over a lathe and milling machine and have papers to prove it. Unlike many UK riflesmiths .

 

Do I want to work for such wages? In such a volatile business? No! Got to be said there are quite a few donors that have come up while guys are waiting

[daz2202]

Sounds like you might be better building one from a .22 Hornet CZ or just get the .22 version, with all this going on about getting one makes you wonder how long the ammo will remain available and how many will stock factory loads.

 

I don't buy these excuses and feel its UK importers waiting for the right price on a shipment exchange wise, I bet if dealers could go direct they would have been with us 6mnths back

I have a ruger 22 hornet and love this too. Think it looks like I am waiting a bit longer. I also didn't believe the tooling excuse either

[kent]

I have a ruger 22 hornet and love this too. Think it looks like I am waiting a bit longer. I also didn't believe the tooling excuse either

If the Uk firearms trade wasn't so closed to normal business competition all this BS would not occur and we would see the things we wanted. I am told by a large and long time RFD you play their game or don't play, in normal business that wouldn't happen as another importer / supplier route will quickly appear. The UK is actually quite a big market. Mark my words manufacturers will be seen getting UK footholds more and more over the next ten years if things don't change, exchange rates are holding back importers profits that is all. Why do you think we have silly RRP on such products over and above what they can usually be purchased for?

[Gimlet]

So why a .17 Hornet and not a .17 Rem? I'd have thought the Rem could be loaded to reproduce precisely the same ballistic performance of the Hornet but with the capability of a much wider range of loading options in reserve.

[DaveK]

So why a .17 Hornet and not a .17 Rem?

 

Probably because someone had to justify their salary by inventing a calibre to fill a gap that wasn't there.

[Amazed]

So why a .17 Hornet and not a .17 Rem? I'd have thought the Rem could be loaded to reproduce precisely the same ballistic performance of the Hornet but with the capability of a much wider range of loading options in reserve.

lot of powder to put up a small hole.

[CharlieT]

So why a .17 Hornet and not a .17 Rem? I'd have thought the Rem could be loaded to reproduce precisely the same ballistic performance of the Hornet but with the capability of a much wider range of loading options in reserve.

 

Same could be said for many calibers, however wheres the fun in that.

[daz2202]

So why a .17 Hornet and not a .17 Rem? I'd have thought the Rem could be loaded to reproduce precisely the same ballistic performance of the Hornet but with the capability of a much wider range of loading options in reserve.

Because I don't load my own.

and with all my other hobbies ( green laning , off roading, rallycross, circuit racing, classic car restoration) I also run my own business and have 2 kids under 4.

 

So when I get a spare evening and want to shoot I just want to go and shoot. Not worry if I have got to load some ammo. Factory ammo is perfect for vermin shooting. I don't do paper targets

[kent]

Because I don't load my own.

and with all my other hobbies ( green laning , off roading, rallycross, circuit racing, classic car restoration) I also run my own business and have 2 kids under 4.

 

So when I get a spare evening and want to shoot I just want to go and shoot. Not worry if I have got to load some ammo. Factory ammo is perfect for vermin shooting. I don't do paper targets

Mmm, hold that thought been at this long enough to see stuff go off the shelves. Should stick to the common stuff if I was only going the factory route. Sometimes its hard enough getting factory for common calibres like you want it

[CharlieT]

Mmm, hold that thought been at this long enough to see stuff go off the shelves. Should stick to the common stuff if I was only going the factory route. Sometimes its hard enough getting factory for common calibres like you want it

 

Must have some strange shops in your part of the world, my local shops will order and keep on the shelf anything you want.

[daz2202]

Mmm, hold that thought been at this long enough to see stuff go off the shelves. Should stick to the common stuff if I was only going the factory route. Sometimes its hard enough getting factory for common calibres like you want it

I honestly think that the 17 hornet will be a seller in the U.K.

 

Look at the hmr. I remember people saying there ****. There noisy. I prefer my 22. Now look. Nearly everyone with fac has got one.

[Amazed]

I honestly think that the 17 hornet will be a seller in the U.K.

 

Look at the hmr. I remember people saying there ****. There noisy. I prefer my 22. Now look. Nearly everyone with fac has got one.

I have to agree. I think it grabs the attention. Not for me though have decided against 17s in general.

[Gimlet]

 

Must have some strange shops in your part of the world, my local shops will order and keep on the shelf anything you want.

 

 

Not that easy round here. Trying to get the factory ammo I want for my .222 is getting harder. None of the dealers around me have got or can give a delivery time on Federal ammo which is what my triple likes best. If its American ammo in general they shrug their shoulders and say "Dunno. Couple of months maybe." And I couldn't find anyone who'd order in for me.

The biggest dealer round here is SGC. They have Sakos SP, which I don't want and apart from that and some Privi which won't stay on the paper at 100 yards with my rifle, that's about it.

We're too reliant on the US for ammo here, and its getting to point where soon everyone will have to reload.

[kent]

I honestly think that the 17 hornet will be a seller in the U.K.

 

Look at the hmr. I remember people saying there ****. There noisy. I prefer my 22. Now look. Nearly everyone with fac has got one.

 

There are stacks coming back now, in most dealers locally its easier to find a nice lightly used HMR than a nice .22 lr. I don't think its that regional as there seems on the face of it at least to be a lot up on here. Considering .22 lr rifles must still far outweigh the HMR in circulation numbers that's surprising there shouldn't actually be anything approaching a 50/50 split

[kent]

 

 

Not that easy round here. Trying to get the factory ammo I want for my .222 is getting harder. None of the dealers around me have got or can give a delivery time on Federal ammo which is what my triple likes best. If its American ammo in general they shrug their shoulders and say "Dunno. Couple of months maybe." And I couldn't find anyone who'd order in for me.

The biggest dealer round here is SGC. They have Sakos SP, which I don't want and apart from that and some Privi which won't stay on the paper at 100 yards with my rifle, that's about it.

We're too reliant on the US for ammo here, and its getting to point where soon everyone will have to reload.

 

I found no real alternative to hand loading with a stock of the bullets I liked put away in bulk and not allowed to deplete. I mean how many triple twos must there be up your parts? I am not shocked though

[kent]

 

Must have some strange shops in your part of the world, my local shops will order and keep on the shelf anything you want.

 

All over the NW and that's a fair chunk of population. I once needed factory .243 win with 100grn to use were no-handloads were permitted, can you credit I struggled and travelled around to multiple dealers from Manchester to Lancaster all I could find till I got to the last place was 95s and 70s. I mostly like to start a new gun off on quality factory (as a gauging point) couldn't get any period when I had my 7-08 rem (although to be fair they were less common then) and could only get poor grade stuff for the .308 win, so ended up testing it with very expensive factory target stuff.

Keep them on the shelf for me? Heck I have shot with some of these guys and wouldn't even ask for reasons of cost most buy only in one or two large amounts a year, getting a 1000 extra to sit on the shelf till I needed them? Nah, doubt it- perhaps if a paid all at once they might store them

[Gimlet]

 

All over the NW and that's a fair chunk of population. I once needed factory .243 win with 100grn to use were no-handloads were permitted, can you credit I struggled and travelled around to multiple dealers from Manchester to Lancaster all I could find till I got to the last place was 95s and 70s. I mostly like to start a new gun off on quality factory (as a gauging point) couldn't get any period when I had my 7-08 rem (although to be fair they were less common then) and could only get poor grade stuff for the .308 win, so ended up testing it with very expensive factory target stuff.

Keep them on the shelf for me? Heck I have shot with some of these guys and wouldn't even ask for reasons of cost most buy only in one or two large amounts a year, getting a 1000 extra to sit on the shelf till I needed them? Nah, doubt it- perhaps if a paid all at once they might store them

 

 

I asked SGC if they would order me in 500 rounds if I paid for them up front and took them as my ammo allocation allowed and they wouldn't do it. They said they didn't know when there would be a stock imported for them to order from so there was no point taking my money.

I'm not sure whether this situation is purely down to a lack of US exports, the buying policy of SGC or the buying policy of the UK importer or a combination of all three.