shakin stevens Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hi I have been given a bag of Sam 1 wads for the 10 bore, I've looked on the Alliant steel website and I have all the components to make up the 1 1/2 steel load. So I've knocked 6 up to try on the pattern plate and over a f1 crono through a browning gold lite with a terror 720 choke, basically just asking does anybody else use these wads and what sort of results are you getting? It's looks a good combo and the data states running just under 1500 ftps I have loaded up zinc plated 4.3 mm shot. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yep I use the above through 1/2 chokes and no.2 AM size steel. It wrecks Greylag at medium range and the pattern is at its best around 35yds. Ideal for windy days when the geese have the wind behind them and come fast n low. It seemed pointless chronographing it as it was busting through the board I was using and has killed a good few geese this season so far all very well (some a good bit further up). I had to mess with the felt wads listed a bit I tried all the alliant listed loads and its the best by far the others were gappy in my gun, still got a stack of Nitro steel factory BBB so not put any larger shot sizes in yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes had to put felt spacer in shot cup as stated on the data, went for the full 45 grains of powder as well, then finished with 6 point crimp and gaep roll turn finish. I have looked on a few yank sites and they like the load. , but some of the forums are from 2008! So as we know things move on, well proof is in the pudding if you are killing at sensable ranges I'm sure it will be fine with bigger shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I just RTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I use the sam 1 wads and they are much better for me than the mutli metal. I use a reciepe from the RSI book, its similar to the alliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 My favourite recipe is, Fed case, 47gn steel powder, win 209 primer, sam 1 wad and 1 1/2 oz of 4.5mm steel. This load has a quoted velocity of 1550 fps and delivers good patterns through the 10 and .705 Terror. I have killed a good number of pinks with this load this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Motty do you slit the wad to the bottom ? I was told to do this, I tested them today and found them patchy, this was through a 720 terror choke remi case, fed 209 primer, 45 grains of steel powder and 1 1/2 of 4. 3 mm, might drop the powder a grain or 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Motty do you slit the wad to the bottom ? I was told to do this, I tested them today and found them patchy, this was through a 720 terror choke remi case, fed 209 primer, 45 grains of steel powder and 1 1/2 of 4. 3 mm, might drop the powder a grain or 2? If you drop anything make it a few less pellets as this will lower the pressure and increase the speed (if patterns will stand it)leave the charge alone I tested close mid and long range with a few wad types and feel the Sam1 opened up really well no need for deeper splits IMO. I had issues with Wad retention on others (I feel this is a far bigger issue with steel than many think, so I watch for it like a hawk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I know it's only a rough guid I tested a couple over the chrono and they are well up on the speed that was published on the Alliant data, some of the yank forums did mention this, I have loaded a few more and not slit the wad, they are very tight they grab the wad rammer on the Mec loader, maybe that's why the chap said split them to the bottom because he used a Mec loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Motty do you slit the wad to the bottom ? I was told to do this, I tested them today and found them patchy, this was through a 720 terror choke remi case, fed 209 primer, 45 grains of steel powder and 1 1/2 of 4. 3 mm, might drop the powder a grain or 2? No, I leave mine at the pre-slit level which is about 2/3 of the way down. I tend to get the wads stuck on the rammer tube, but I live with it. Keep us posted with any further developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 this is the same data from LYMANS 5th for the same load rem case -plastic base wad fed 209A primer 38 grains A STEEL powder sam 1 wad 11/2oz steel shot 1392fps 10,700psi this load is low pressure and gives some room for a few grains more powder if you are loading new cases and using a gaep finisher on your crimps 45grains may well be to much if I was working up this load I would start at 40gr and check for speed and pattern when you reach the book speed and it pattern well leave as is pointless thrashing a good load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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