Matt_ Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ha stupid question gets an obvious answer, what lamps gun mounted or hand held? Tight chokes open the pattern up I assume with pellets that big with deformation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) it may sound daft but I have always used a Maglite ( the medium size one ) for some reason I find it easy to hold under barrel , plus I have found you don't want anything to bright at close range , just spooks them as for chokes it really depends what your using , like said I had a load of 3 1/2 mag federal , not sure what size , I would have to have a look , im at work on phone at min . if memory serves the shot is about 4mm , I will look later , anyway with them , they will hold a good pattern out to 35 yrs 40 yrds MAX but Christ on a bike they hit hard , I've never has one get up that's for sure I have tried BIG shot and there are pants past 20 yrds , but like everything in life you really need to try in your own gun and see what works best , that's the ONLY way you can work out an effective kill range Forgot to say I 3/4 choke and there fine believe me Edited February 5, 2014 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hi everyone. I was just wondering if your allowed to shoot foxes at night with a shotgun?. Someone told me that your not allowed to shoot shotguns at night. Thanks Mark They are talking rubbish! forget seeking further advice that just shows how many don't know that which they certainly should but still wish to sound clever. You are shooting Vermin so lights are fine and like mentioned thousands of wildfowlers shoot the moonflight but we don't use artificial illumination. Forums are for questions but the answers are not always correct, you need to filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ha stupid question gets an obvious answer, what lamps gun mounted or hand held? Tight chokes open the pattern up I assume with pellets that big with deformation? Hand held all the way hold it sideways "gangster style " and just pop the forearm down on the back of your wrist when you need to shoot. Angle the light upwards to just make the eyes glow when you call them in, you can rarely dazzle them into range with the lamp melting their eyeballs! I mostly need to walk in to help close the gap and have been known to run in- sometimes the call just stops them or gets them to look (yes also some head for the hills also). You must pattern your gun with the shell and choke of choice, somewhere between 1/2 and full normally no.3 lead minimum and I tend to prefer no.1 or BB. now (though I used to be fond of monster loads a few years back, when they were a novelty in super mag) I know one of my guns performs well with imp choke and 42 grm of number 1 through patterning and a few very dead longer range shots, you need to check it out yourself with some old card etc in an empty field though to see. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 As above Lamp .....shotgun....homemade fox call And the biggest buckshot loads can get . Got a dozen federal 3.5 mags left which are good for 40 yrds with the right choke Yet I can also do the job at that range with 1/4 choke and 42grm of number 1 in a 3" case. A big greylag or Canada goose is as hard to kill or harder (weights are similar yet organs are more protected and smaller in relation to weight) and fox loads can be referenced against them, although there are some who think goose flighting stopped with nine ball lead loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Simple answer should be................. Yes it's perfectly legal. Like you, I learn something new every day. Only fools don't ask questions! Indeed Charlie is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 yeah get yourself back out tomorrow , your get him haha , I love it requires a lot more skill , calling them in to 30 yrs , unlike the " all the gear and no idea brigade " it not hard to shoot a fox at 150 - 200 yrds with a CF , been there done that , got bored went back the real mans way haha Your rite it takes skill to shoot them with a shotgun, but it also takes skill to shoot them at night at 200 yards under the lamp..if it was easy there would be no lamp shy foxes about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 right then . I have had a look at my " fox loads " now im home , God only knows where I got Buckshot from .......... think ive been watching waaay too much Duck dynasty anyway they are Remington Premier 3.5" 2-1/4 OZ loads shot size 4 copper plated lead , they come in boxes of 10 . the yanks call them Turkey loads . anyway a few yrs back I happen to call into my local gun shop , I was after my usual loads , when he said someone had ordered 250 and let him down and so offered them to me at the same price I would have paid for the other loads , I was a bit unsure so he said take 10 try them , if you like , then come get the rest . So I did went out a couple of night later and was blown away by them ,as I said VERY hard hitting , you have to dig your heels in a bit before you pull the trigger but hey ho , you soon grt used to them heres a link for them http://www.firearms4u.com/ammunition/shotguns-lead/rem-p1235m4-turkey-12ga-3-5-2-1-4-oz-premier-magnum-turkey-loads-copper-plated-lead-10box-10case-p1235m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 right then . I have had a look at my " fox loads " now im home , God only knows where I got Buckshot from .......... think ive been watching waaay too much Duck dynasty anyway they are Remington Premier 3.5" 2-1/4 OZ loads shot size 4 copper plated lead , they come in boxes of 10 . the yanks call them Turkey loads . anyway a few yrs back I happen to call into my local gun shop , I was after my usual loads , when he said someone had ordered 250 and let him down and so offered them to me at the same price I would have paid for the other loads , I was a bit unsure so he said take 10 try them , if you like , then come get the rest . So I did went out a couple of night later and was blown away by them ,as I said VERY hard hitting , you have to dig your heels in a bit before you pull the trigger but hey ho , you soon grt used to them heres a link for them http://www.firearms4u.com/ammunition/shotguns-lead/rem-p1235m4-turkey-12ga-3-5-2-1-4-oz-premier-magnum-turkey-loads-copper-plated-lead-10box-10case-p1235m Forget the back tracking bit - It like the skill thing you mentioned neither requires greater levels just circumstance. Lead does not need a 3 1/2" case never has, gave them up after a few goes on the foxes personally, turkey loads are often smaller shot as the aim is as far as I understand it to get the small head in the pattern for an aimed static shot. 4's is maybe big for turkey heads but its also way too many pellets from a 2 1/4 oz load for fox- I bet those patterns are poor at range compared with just the std 1 1/2 oz of no.1 or BB this should be far more effective on a red fox lythality / patterns and kick a whole lot less. If I personally wanted to chuck over 2 oz of lead at a fox it would be fired from the 10 ga or even an 8 ga if I had one of those and it seems pointless to not make use of the heavy load by not using say BB or other larger shot that could still penetrate through the ribs at more distant range than number 4 might. At the end of the day big payloads compensate for gaps appearing with large shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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