Ballistic gel.

[aister]

I was just wondering if anyone on here has tried or used ballistic gel to see how their bullets perform? I fancy making some and trying my home loads out and seeing how they perform at different ranges etc.

 

 

[Old farrier]

I was just wondering if anyone on here has tried or used ballistic gel to see how their bullets perform? I fancy making some and trying my home loads out and seeing how they perform at different ranges etc.

 

 

Now that's a brilliant idea

Anyone now how to make it ?

All the best

Of

[aister]

There is videos on youtube on how to make it, looks simple enough, just wondered if it was worth it?

[kent]

It will tell you only how the bullets perform against each other on gel. All sorts of stuff can be used like stacked wet newspaper but again although it give indications its not proof positive on game. The Military have used pig carcass in the past but I suppose the best test for rabbits is a dead one and likewise for foxes, deer whatever. Yes I have collected data and spent bullets but not from a gel, careful though it gets addictive

[Wurzle]

Amazing idea. I'm going to make some and put some bones in it too. I have hmr, 223 and 308. I'll try them all. Oh and 12g obviously.

I'll post my results.

[aister]

I know it wouldn't be identical to shooting a live animal it was more out of interest and I wanna play with something different

 

Also was wondering where I would get the gelatin in big quantities from, I had a look on the bay but I haven't had time for a real look yet.

Edited April 26, 2014 by aister

[station]

Rowntrees or chivers !

 

Or try -

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/67692-ballistics-gel/

[moorvale55]

Try a block of modelling clay, make it into a piece about 4" X 4" x 8", when it has been shot use a cheese wire to cut along the hole to see the result. Reform it and it can be used again.

[kent]

I know it wouldn't be identical to shooting a live animal it was more out of interest and I wanna play with something different

 

Also was wondering where I would get the gelatin in big quantities from, I had a look on the bay but I haven't had time for a real look yet.

You can get a product called "the bullet test tube" it can be re-set and re-used. Like I say it only shows you some of what the bullet does in that medium. Setting bones etc into gel has been done again you cant simulate the same thing twice so you cannot even compare two bullets.

 

The very best way to learn a bullet is to make a lot of live things dead things and investigate

[kent]

Amazing idea. I'm going to make some and put some bones in it too. I have hmr, 223 and 308. I'll try them all. Oh and 12g obviously.

I'll post my results.

One thing I wished I had done with the HMR is consistency testing on bullet performance. 5 shots into the same re-set media at 20 yards intervals 20-200 yards could answer why this round gives such variable results on impact. Is it very speed sensitive? Do the bullets vary through quality control / normal manufacture? or it all about exactly were they first strike on quarry? perhaps a combo of all? but it should be nice to know those that could be ruled out.

[Old farrier]

But it would tell us which loads heads combination were useless

And save risking wounding anything with a

Under kill load

We check for zero why not check for penetration and expansion of bullet

Good experiment

All the best

Of

[Wurzle]

Too late. I've just looked on YouTube and this is old hat. Not going to waste my time. It's all there for you to see. Very impressed with the cavitation that the hmr gives. Obviously I knew it was good because it will remove bunny heads but I didn't know it was that effective.

 

If you don't already own a 17, I recommend you get one.

 

I will happily push out the range on Charlie now.

[Old farrier]

Too late. I've just looked on YouTube and this is old hat. Not going to waste my time. It's all there for you to see. Very impressed with the cavitation that the hmr gives. Obviously I knew it was good because it will remove bunny heads but I didn't know it was that effective.

 

If you don't already own a 17, I recommend you get one.

 

I will happily push out the range on Charlie now.

Do you load your own ?

I appreciate factory tests are done

But to put a sticker on some gell when your zero of a new batch is beng tested

To give you information can't be a bad thing

All the best

Of

[aris]

[kent]

Too late. I've just looked on YouTube and this is old hat. Not going to waste my time. It's all there for you to see. Very impressed with the cavitation that the hmr gives. Obviously I knew it was good because it will remove bunny heads but I didn't know it was that effective.

 

If you don't already own a 17, I recommend you get one.

 

I will happily push out the range on Charlie now.

I found it very variable in use on quarry. One it might wreck the next looked like it had had heat failure. With crows I had a few break up on the wing primaries and knock the wind out of them but not actually get below the skin. Other shots zipped through. I posted about this quite a bit back 3-4 yrs perhaps.

Anyhow its the last thing I should point at a fox personally, at least you get consistency with .22 lr

You want to do these?

 

I don't know the parameters but that don't look like a worthwhile foxing round to my eyes

[kent]

Get on with you 700 ft lb is a lot more than 240 and 45 grains is more than double even the heaviest HMR. .22 Hornet is a Roe round that just so happens is not UK legal, doubt that ask Richard Prior how many he shot with one before the deer act

[kent]

Neither are .22 Hornet ! nothing in .17 gets a place in my safe. .17 bullets are ideal for those little woodchuck things that about it IMO