cueball Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I was flying holiday from holiday the other week and all I saw from Dover to Manchester was urban sprawl. It made me wonder why we don't use shotguns with slug more given our population density in the UK as they do in the US. I know that a rifle prover a far more effective tool. But it was just a thought that I couldn't shake as I flew home. Ps I have zero experience in stalking/large game or rifle hence the question if is is a basic one. I am currently on a waiting list for a local gun club to gain some experience before attempting stalking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 i think you need a fac to have slugs so, if thats right, you may as well just have a rifle.........prob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) i think you need a fac to have slugs so, if thats right, you may as well just have a rifle.........prob +1 that's right Edited November 14, 2014 by andrew f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cueball Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 No what I mean is I thought it would have been a prefered method given how over populated we are. I know slugs are fac and that they can't be used for deer due to energy limits a projectile requires. But with the effective range of a rifLe vs a slug I thought that would have been a more suitable choice for certain areas within the UK. Or was it a case of some people taking shots outside the effective range the reason they are not used in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 dunno about the why but im suprised by the energy limits thingy, i was watching a youtube vid t'other day of some bloke firing slugs at a target about 7 miles away (might have been 200 yards but it looked further !!) and the slugs were smashing thru his 'worktop' target like it wasnt even there !! hang on, ill go and find it........ im back .............here it is........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTyCcip-ks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cueball Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Yanks use a lot of rifled shotgun barrels. They have about a 6" group at 200 yds. Illegal in uk for the most part unless it is a bolt action and even theneed it is sec 1 Edited November 14, 2014 by cueball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 saboted rifled slugs can be quite accurate in a rifled shotgun barrel, as in 1 1/2 MOA accurate out to 200 yards which is better than many people can shoot. The problem with slugs in populated areas is that they will actually bounce more than rifle bullets. There was a study not long ago where the team looked at rifle bullets, shotgun slugs, and one other projectile used in populated area deer control. In short, on semi flat ground shotgun slugs actually bounce along further because of their mass. Lighter rifle bullets would hit the ground and tumble which decreased their speed rapidly. Shotgun slugs though were much heavier (they are 1 oz usually) and even if they did start to tumble their overall mass kept them bouncing along in basically a straight line for a while. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 saboted rifled slugs can be quite accurate in a rifled shotgun barrel, as in 1 1/2 MOA accurate out to 200 yards which is better than many people can shoot. The problem with slugs in populated areas is that they will actually bounce more than rifle bullets. There was a study not long ago where the team looked at rifle bullets, shotgun slugs, and one other projectile used in populated area deer control. In short, on semi flat ground shotgun slugs actually bounce along further because of their mass. Lighter rifle bullets would hit the ground and tumble which decreased their speed rapidly. Shotgun slugs though were much heavier (they are 1 oz usually) and even if they did start to tumble their overall mass kept them bouncing along in basically a straight line for a while. thanks rick i (almost) get that ^^, i just fail to see that a slug (tumbling or not) would be anymore dangerous than any bullet that had a velocity 2 or 3 times greater, surely any very 'flat' land that happened to be passed for, say, a .243 or even .308 shouldnt be an issue for a (relatively) slow moving 1 oz slug ?? the laws on this stuff really make no sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 The rifle bullets lost velocity much faster while the slugs kept their velocity. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 http://www.ihea.com/_assets/documents/AFWA_Presentation_9-18-07.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 i (almost) get that ^^, i just fail to see that a slug (tumbling or not) would be anymore dangerous than any bullet that had a velocity 2 or 3 times greater, surely any very 'flat' land that happened to be passed for, say, a .243 or even .308 shouldnt be an issue for a (relatively) slow moving 1 oz slug ?? the laws on this stuff really make no sense to me on the same basis that a .22lr sub in 40gr solid lead is ultimately more of a problem than a .17 17gr Vmax at twice the speed solid lead retains its energy much more than a rifle bullet of cup/core or BT construction add to that the significant drop in weight and energy, the massive increase in accuracy potential on a small bore scoped rifle and I can't see any advantage to using slugs over say a .222 or .243 with BT bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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