daystate 177 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 First of all I'm happy to say im now a reloader!!!!! The deal was done a very nice bloke from Kent came to see me and another bloke Paul howdy if your reading this, So my question on the charge bar what number bushings do I need for a standard clay round of 28gr iv tried reading paper work but iv been up all night at work and stayed up to meet the bloke and it's all matrix, Iv got brand new ready primed cases ready to go, I'll admit I have tried a quick go lol yeah I need to work on it a little didn't close right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 What does the load data ask for in grains of powder. Find this out then you can check what the different bushings hold and then you will know what one you need to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Find what your load data states as your powder charge! Don't believe what the bush chart shows. Get yourself a set of good digi scales. Try for 0.1gr accuracy as a minimum. If you can afford them go for 0.001 gr accuracy. Simply a case of pop in a bush, drop a few charges "one at a time" and weigh them, until you find the bush that drops the correct weight. Each powder is different, flake size, density etc. Write a chart of your own for the current powder you have. When ever you buy a new tub,.even of the same powder! Check the charge with scales. It MAY have changed enough to over charge the round. IIRC I paid around £8 for my scales. I have been meaning to buy a new set for a while. I am after the more accurate ones myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Additional, if it does not close right, there is a problem. Either the stack column in too big or too small. If it will not close at all, the column is too high. If it turns inside out, the column is too short! The column height is made up of Powder, Wad and Shot. You need to change the wad height or you may get away woth an obturator under the shot if too short. If too high, reduce the wad height. The odds are, if it's too short and the crimp is inverted, the wad is for 32g 36g etc or if the correct powder and wad is used! You may not have dropped enough shot! Too high a column could be caused by a 24g wad or too much shot. It is imperetive you check the data, check the components, check the data, check the weights, check the data, did I mention check the data? I am still using Fiocchi 615 primers 22.5gr of Neodisc28 a T2 wad and 28g of #7 Been loading that for years now. I need to change to Vectan soon as my Neo is depleated almost. As I say, Scales and Data! Write your own bushing chart for you powder! Do not take unproofed data as gospel. Just because it LOOKS the same, does not mean it's safe to use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus1988 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Simply a case of pop in a bush, drop a few charges "one at a time" and weigh them, until you find the bush that drops the correct weight. Each powder is different, flake size, density etc. When you drop the powder go through a full run on the Lee as if you were depriming/resizing, priming, dropping the powder, dropping the shot, pre crimp and final crimp. If you just drop powder without moving the arm up and down you won't get a consistent drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 When you drop the powder go through a full run on the Lee as if you were depriming/resizing, priming, dropping the powder, dropping the shot, pre crimp and final crimp. If you just drop powder without moving the arm up and down you won't get a consistent drop. I always give mine a tap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus1988 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I always give mine a tap! That'll do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystate 177 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Sorry should of said its vectan as powder and 28grm placid wad, will keep digging and sorts scales out tomorrow, just want to get going and enjoy this art form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Please make sure you have read the instructions carefully at least twice before you start doing anything with powder or primers, especially in relation to storage of powder and primers. Remember they are explosives and need to be treated with utmost care and respect. Mistreat them and they will bite back, heavily. Similarly DON'T start reloading if you are tired. Wait for a time when you are more awake and relaxed. If you can set your press up somewhere where you will not get disturbed, ie. your man cave. Keep all powder and primers out of the way of kids "enquiring" fingers. If you have young kids in the house then powder and primers must be kept in a locked cupboard. Make sure there is a vent cut in the cupboard so any gases can get out easily in the unlikely event of fire. Mount your press on a board and fix it to the table top with C-clamps. Those "easy release" clamps are good. You will need to empty the hoppers at the end of the process and unless you want to upend your table or undo the bolts it makes life easier. You will inevitably spill shot and/or powder at some time so it would help if you had a thin board (Thin ply will do) under your press with a bead around the edge. Shot will roll a hell of a way if the table is even slightly out of flat. If you can, have a bit of vinyl underneath the table. It makes it far easier to get powder up if and when spilt. Before you start reloading hulls I would advise you to do a drop chart. Don't put any shot in the hopper, just powder. Put the smallest bush in and drop at least 10 charges, weighing them each time. Use a set of digital scales, they are easiest and quickest. You can drop the charges into a plastic cup, as long as you set the Tare weight to zero each time. The MTM case-gard scales are good for this, model DS-750. They measure in grains, grams and ounces and reasonable priced. Get them on the usual internet auction site. If you put your results on a simple spreadsheet you can easily get an average weight. Doing this will get you into the habit of using the full cycle of the load-all. Once you have done the first bush, empty the powder hopper and put the second one in. Repeat the process until you have done all the bushes. Remember you need to empty the powder hopper each time you change the powder bush. It is a long winded process but it will prove useful in the long run. Once you have got the average weight of the charge drops in a table you will need to find which one corresponds with the charge required. You don't say what size shot you are using but I will assume you want a standard clay shell so 28grm size 7.5 shot. In that case you want: 21.6grains or 1.4grms of Vectan AS - 198 bush. 1oz size 7.5 shot. Use the 1oz shot bush. B&P H24 plastic wad. It sounds like you are using new, ready primed hulls. If this is the case then on the first crimp starter stage, hold the bar down for a few seconds to give the hull a but of memory. Transfer it to the final crimp stage and hold it down for a few seconds. If you use pre-fired hulls from the clay ground then they will already have some memory. Above all TAKE YOUR TIME and get it right. Best of luck and welcome to the fold. Careful as it gets you hooked. Dave. Edited January 17, 2015 by Uncle Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Cheers Dave. Coo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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