Underdog Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Quite common on pedersoli doubles is for the spur that the trigger blade acts on to be to long and interferes with the opposing spur from the other lock. To test, remove the good order side and then see if the troubled lock functions, if so grind the trigger spurs back for clearance. Report back. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) thanks underdog... trouble is thats gone right over my head i take it to remove the lock is just the two screws on the side? looks like one goes through both side plates and one just the plate on the side it goes in sorry to sound thick but ive yet to take a muzzle laoder or a side plated gun apart, never had to before as my last muzzler loader was faultless... all i had to do was shoot it and clean it Edited April 5, 2015 by kiffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 That's it mate. Just hold the one in your testing with yourhand. Don't drop the hammer on the nipple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 i just removed the working side plate and the bad one still wouldnt relesae the hammer and it didnt seem to foul the trigger next i removed the working side plate to compare, bottom one in the picture works fine. top one was the one that the trigger wouldnt work on pressing the lever on the bottom that the trigger hits it releases the hammer ok on the non working side so put the good one in and looked from the side without the plate to see it work, the swapped over.. still looks like the trigger to me as its not pivoting right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 OK that's good then. The lock is good then. Your going to have to find what is stopping the trigger then. The,upshot is, this is how they get in your blood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 dont know about the grief helping it get in my bloody... first short with blackpowder did that, theres something about these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 found the problem... dropped the trigger assembly and theres a pivot piton the housing thats not fixed and pushed out to the one side as can be seen in the photos below its not an overly tight fit and theres room in the woodwork for it to slide out again so if it happens again ill have to tery and find a pin i can fix in place, maybe with circlips on the ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Well done you. What about a drop of glue and thin shims both sides! You be soon on the road to joy and good smoke to you. Now, on the end of your rammer there should be an m5 thread. If you can get a sharp wood screw welded to a m5 bolt you can use that to pul an os card off the shot. For un loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 i struggled yesterday to unload the left barrel, then remember i have a dowel here that i had with my previous ardessa muzzle loader that someone had fixed the end of a cork screw into. would have been perfect to screw into the wad to remove it. shims and glue is a damn good idea, i was thinking about a slightly longer pin (theres plenty of room in the woodwork) with a circlip on each side... have contacted kranks by email to see if they have anything i also took your advice on the delrin rod, got a length from ebay and expoxied a handle into the end. works perfect and more sunstantial to pack the charge down with must say even though yesterday was an unplanned test day (should have been in hereford on pigeons) it was well worth it as i knowthe gun and its patern well enough to be happy to use on live quarry and i have that muzzle loading fever back.... got a new gun safe coming so maybe with the space ill get a flintlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I threaded my delrin rod for a cleaning jag at home!! Now check this photo. Can you see the leather between the hammers and nipples? Makes a good safety , keeps moisture out and seals the nipples when cleaning by hot water in and out via the muzzles! Get good thick leather and tie it to the trigger guard. Get it right and it should fall out the way when both hammers get cocked! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Out of curiosity, can any other powders be used in a muzzle loader? I know it's probably sacrilege to you guys and I doubt I'll ever get a muzzle loader but I like learning these "useless" bits of info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 yes you can use other powders and to be honest their far more sensible than black powder which is dirty, corrosive, requires a seperate explosives certificate to buy and store and a special storeage box (which can be easily diy made) but for me theres something special about blackpowder it is very important not to use shotgun or firearm relaoding powders, you need to use a specific blackpowder replacment like triple 7 https://www.hodgdon.com/tripleseven.html or pyrodex https://www.hodgdon.com/pyrodex.html ive not bought them but these i believe are a little more expensive than black powder but require no license to buy and store and although like all powders should be stored securly it has no storeage restrictions like black powder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 To be honest pyrodex is more corrosive! Black powder is actually not as bad as most think. Pyrodex is aggressively corrosive. Hot water is the answer. It dissolves the salts produced from combustion. Animal vegetable fats or oils hold the salts in suspension too. None of the black powder substitutes work in a flintlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I've loved reading this thread very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 ive not used pyrodex (or 777) but i had heard they where not as bad as black powder... either way it was only ever going to be black powder for me wilsky, go treat yourself... their worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) underdog, a question about flintlocks.... one ive often wondered as ive not seen one in the flesh when you put your measure of powder into the pan what stops that charge falling out when you angle your gun? i know their shaped to hold the charge but have often thought about it if you see any flintlocks going at a reasonable price, im kind of in the market... want one but am trying to convince myself i have to many guns now, its not working though would love an old one, ive not looked that much into pricing but guess id only get a repro without spending to much? Edited April 10, 2015 by kiffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 They are ace mate. The frizzen closes on the pan holding the prime trapped. The flint opens the frozen funneling sparks on to the prime. I wish all my front loaders were flint now! Kranks do a cheap dog locks I understand are OK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 This is a photo of my trade gun. The flint has opened the frizzen off the pan exposing the prime to the sparks. The frizzen is also called the hammer. The flint is held by the cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 On the black powder being really badly corrosive front, i have shot old muzzle loaders with pitted barrels and then left them 10 or 15 shots filthy for two or three weeks before cleaning them and never suffered any rusting provided they were not wet from rain when put away. You find that over time because when you clean you use vegetable based oils in the barrel the barrels season like a cast iron skillet, i suspect that this seasoning effect is amplified when it the oils have some nice pitts throughout the barrels to catch into. All that happens in the barrel is that the fouling oxidizes and turns a grey color. I suspect that a lot of the stories about black being corrosive is when the guns been wet and then not properly cleaned, or when corrosive primers or caps have been used which almost all early primers and caps were. The old boys will tell you never to use oils like three in one for cleaning muzzle loaders, it changes something in the fouling and makes it harder to remove and the oils are non drying and do not season your barrel. For comparison i have used pyrodex on a slightly damp day put it in the gun slip and walked about 1000 yards home and found rust begin to develop around the nipples and hammers. Anyone who muzzle loads should watch this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 thanks for the video thats one good thing about forums, as long as you can weed out the bullsh**ers you can interact with people who actually own and use stuff rather than just taking whats you read online, in magazines or in books and find out little things like how corrosive pyrodex is in comparrison to BP, ive read different in the past or rather read that BP is worse but with your guys practical knowledge how coiuld i not trustyou... im just glad i went do the BP route from the start demonwolf, you do know i blame you for my muzzle loadinf addiction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 DW put it perfectly, thanks DW. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 dont know if that bore butter is any good but ive some coming next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I hear it is very good. I melt bees wax or beef fat with olive oil to make my own. Current stuff is candle wax and old he oil. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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