farmboy807 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 I have got my first dog from pup a lab cross He's just over 1 year old now about a month ago had the snip When he was a pup till about 6-7 months old I could walk him of the lead wouldn't wonder far listen well and wasn't bothered at all about others dogs or people The last fews months I have to walk him in a field enclosed away from people or dads as he just goes mental and barks like mad And on the walks off lead he just puts his head down and sniffs scents and he's off and doesn't listen until he's ready to come bk And help will be much appricated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Why did you have him neutered. Was he a problem intact. If they are not a problem intact and are not living with an intact bitch its not normally needed and even then you can get them vasectomised which doesn't cause such promblems as neutering. If they are going to be neutered it is best left till they are fully grown around 2 years in a large breed as developement problems can be caused by neutering too early. Neutering can cause behavoural changes and skin/coat changes not always for the better. A young dog often goes through a teenage phase after initialy being good, but they usually grow out of it if you keep their training consistant. Edited March 7, 2017 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy807 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 That's for reply well live on his own Once he started spraying training went out the window as he just wanted to sniff all of the scents from others dogs etc And always did it so no chance of him getting any cancer on the area I did think may be teenage kicking in Just don't want to leave it and hope he stops as don't want him being aggressive towards dogs and other people as it's impossible to walk him anywhere at the minute where there are people and dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/long-term-health-risks-benefits-associated-spay-neuter-michele-o-hara I have posted this before, but not everyone will have seen it. There are some more recent studies as well. Its well worth doing some research before deciding whether to snip or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy807 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks bit late now for him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Thanks bit late now for him thoughSorry for you and your dog. Maybe someone who has faced this problem might have some ideas to help. Does he go to dog training classes as that might help. It does take a few months for hormones to settle after the snip, so he could calm down. I don't have any of mine snipped now, but I only have dogs not bitches. I hope the links help someone else decide what to do. I have a little dog at the moment who is a year old and cryptorchid. He has a lovely coat and super temperament. He will be going at two years to have the undescended testicle removed as there is an increased risk of cancer with retained testicles. A vascectomy on the descended one, which will keep the vet happy about it being possibly hereditary and won't change him as the hormones will still be maintained.. Edited March 7, 2017 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy807 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks for the help hopefully it works out coz I love the dog to bits and hope he can be my shooting buddy for years to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 And on the walks off lead he just puts his head down and sniffs scents and he's off and doesn't listen until he's ready to come bk And help will be much appricated Sorry, but what you're really saying is that he doesn't listen, full stop. The fact that he comes back when he feels like it is neither here nor there. The dog is out of control. I admit to ignorance on tbe topic of neutering changing behaviour, but I can tell you for sure that you need to stop allowing your dog the luxury of choosing to obey commands or not. Pleading with a dog to do something and letting him make the choice is doing nothing else but cultivating a a habit/trait in him that, if left unchecked, will turn him into a useless liability. If you're not in a position to enforce the command - simply don't give it. Let the dog run as he likes for however long it takes for him to get bored.Then when he looks like he's about to come back anyway, give him the command to return and run away from him. When he gets to you, mske a fuss of him. You can do this ad nauseum -turn it into a game if you like. But you always want to know that the dog is going to come before you tell him to. In increments, you raise the bar so that the dog is coming further and further away from HIS optimum chosentime, if you see what I mean. At some point in all this, the dog is going to take it into his head to say to himself, 'this smell is more interesting than going back. F@#k him, I'm not going', and he'll make a conscious decision to disobey/not respond. You can see them do it. Now, I don't know. I'm old school,and if a dog makes a decision to put two fingers up to me, I'm going to run him down and give him a shaking. Not to hurt him at all, but just to let him know that wilful insubordination has consequences. (Note I said 'run him down' and not 'call him back!'- you don't want him associating returning with negatives.) And then I'd immediately let him run again, and while the shaking was fresh in his memory, call him and walk away. Ninety nine percent of the time he'll respond and come immediately. And so on and so forth. It honestly doesn't take them long to get it. But the golden rules are:- 1) don't repeat pleading commands -it waters them down to hopelessness. 2) don't give commands you can't enforce. 3) maneovre the dog into obeying commands instantly (because it's already on its way back if need be) 4) make sure the dog knows and has practiced 3) lots of times so he knows what's expected. 5) give the command in a 50-50 situation, and be ready to run after him when he deafs you out. Let him know who's boss. Voila. But like I said, I'm old-school. There's likely a more modern method of achievung the same result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy807 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 That's for that will give it a go and no he's not totally out of control or listen he's just changed so much so quick when he does come bk he will sit on command and walk to heel of lead it's soon as you give to signal to go on walk more etc or praise him he goes loopy and he's off again When he does do wrong I dint praise I just say a clear negative no as raising your voice or even raising your hand he noses it but soon as you give negative he's mental again When I say mental jumping around as if your about to give him a treat or toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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