peter-peter Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop ! The author also says that semi autos are not gracefull or do not balance very well, he has very obviously never shot a decent top end semi auto. He also says that a gas operated semi has less felt recoil than any other design. Also complete rubbish ! If you shoot an o/u, sxs, gas auto, long or short recoil op gun and an inertia op gun, if the guns are the same weight, shooting the same cartridge you will notice no difference in felt recoil what so ever. The average gas gun is quite heavy which soaks up some recoil. What he says about gun fit and felt recoil is absolutely true. The better the fit the less felt recoil, regardless of the guns operation. Leeboy rubbish! recoil is far less on a gas auto the auther is missinformed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 the only time i was affected by recoil was when the ex wanted more money :blink: :blink: never been the same since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop ! The author also says that semi autos are not gracefull or do not balance very well, he has very obviously never shot a decent top end semi auto. He also says that a gas operated semi has less felt recoil than any other design. Also complete rubbish ! If you shoot an o/u, sxs, gas auto, long or short recoil op gun and an inertia op gun, if the guns are the same weight, shooting the same cartridge you will notice no difference in felt recoil what so ever. The average gas gun is quite heavy which soaks up some recoil. What he says about gun fit and felt recoil is absolutely true. The better the fit the less felt recoil, regardless of the guns operation. Leeboy rubbish! recoil is far less on a gas auto the auther is missinformed No it is not !! Fire guns of exactly the same weight, exactly the same fit and shooting exactly the same cartridge and load and you will not notice any significant reduction in felt recoil between them. Different operating systems may make recoil feel different in the way it is delivered to the shoulder i.e the chunk of a break barrel as opposed to the ker chunk of a semi auto (if that makes sense, dont know how to word it better) Yes if you compare the recoil from a 6.5lb sxs to an 8lb gas op auto there will be an obvious difference but that is not down to the operating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 gas opperated semi's tend to deliver the recoil in 2 lumps, i actually preffer a O/U recoil wise. O/U's tend to deliver recoil in one push into your shoulder. the fact is that you cannot just say that the same cartridge will recoil less in one gun than another, as this is deffying physics, removing energy somewhere. Granted a small amount escapes as heat gas etc.... but it is mainly in the delivery of recoil. Recoiling action (franchi al) guns are just horrible, had one for a few weeks and sold it to lord gordie who seems to love them. I recently took my girlfriends brother and father shooting, they were using a mk70 with my fav load, and seemed to be interested in what was in the other bag, so i let them have a go with it. Same cartridge, similar weight gun (probably heavier as the semi was a 391 teknys gold sporter and the miroku was a mk70 game) and they both felt that recoil was worse in the semi, and chose to continue with the o/u. My comment regarding a gun that smacks you in the face, ive been down this path several times, ive tried almost all of the solutions, including removing material from guns, increasing pull and having them fitted to me. If a gun dosent fit you to the point it catches you in the face, im affraid ive only ever solved this problem through the sale of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 It is true that the beads should look like a figure of 8, I've heard that a lot of times. My arguement is that you shouldn't be looking at the beads full stop ! The author also says that semi autos are not gracefull or do not balance very well, he has very obviously never shot a decent top end semi auto. He also says that a gas operated semi has less felt recoil than any other design. Also complete rubbish ! If you shoot an o/u, sxs, gas auto, long or short recoil op gun and an inertia op gun, if the guns are the same weight, shooting the same cartridge you will notice no difference in felt recoil what so ever. The average gas gun is quite heavy which soaks up some recoil. What he says about gun fit and felt recoil is absolutely true. The better the fit the less felt recoil, regardless of the guns operation. Leeboy rubbish! recoil is far less on a gas auto the auther is missinformed No it is not !! Fire guns of exactly the same weight, exactly the same fit and shooting exactly the same cartridge and load and you will not notice any significant reduction in felt recoil between them. Different operating systems may make recoil feel different in the way it is delivered to the shoulder i.e the chunk of a break barrel as opposed to the ker chunk of a semi auto (if that makes sense, dont know how to word it better) Yes if you compare the recoil from a 6.5lb sxs to an 8lb gas op auto there will be an obvious difference but that is not down to the operating system. Gentlemen, Recoil is a direct action to loads being fired, the same load fired through the same weight gun will recoil the same. If you don't believe me, ask Isaac Newton he wrote his 3rd law of motion. The FELT recoil through a semi is less due to the operating system within the gun, the moving parts tend to dampen the recoil feeling. I do agree with Nick though recoil is certainly different through a semi, although not necessarily worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I think that is basically what I've just said. But I will add that felt recoil is totally subjective in as much as everyone feels it differently, its a personal thing. Semi autos can feel softer to some people but not others. The fit and the weight of the gun will affect the felt recoil more so than the operating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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