Counting deaths.

[Mungler]

On 18/07/2020 at 08:39, Old farrier said:people forget that the old have given a lot so that the young can have a easier extravagant lifestyle 

What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

If your old and vulnerable, self isolate - your own personal choice by the way.

If you’re not old or vulnerable then get back to work and be sensible about it.

I look at FB and all the frothing and bed wetting that goes on - people crying over others not following a demonstrably pointless pedestrian one way system in a high street, people having a melt down over masks and distancing, people refusing to send their kids back to school and so on.
 

The funny thing was people demanding others be arrested by the police for not adhering to a 2m rule and then the government change to 1m - all that frothing and those silly signs and stickers redundant over night.

It is all about self choice and self determination and everyone getting back to normal. It’s a communicable disease which is within every single person’s own want / ability to avoid or combat with hygiene or as they see fit. I am not trusting my well being to others or the government because if I cop it, it’s actually down to me and no one else is going to suffer the way I will.

Back to the economics, we are so utterly screwed and I remain amazed that everyone else hasn’t worked this out and started to worry more about the future. Again, I don’t need the government to tell me what I know with my A economics and can see from within my own high street based business.

We are looking at a severely reduced if not the death of the NHS, upto 50% off everyone’s pension, swathing government cuts and entire sectors of the economy already dead but you can’t quite see it yet because of government grants and furlough money (which is soon to come to and end and has been borrowed with no obvious means of repayment).

I can’t see any sector coming out of this unscathed save for the usual suspects - tobacco, big pharma and munitions.

When the dust settles and everyone looks back at a strong dose of flu that has done nothing more unusual than iron out the over 90’s in majority casualty and then followed by those in their 80’s and then 70’s.

Whilst the government have finally twigged that the stats are over cooked (if you caught Covid 3 months ago and get hit by a bus tomorrow you are currently [and demonstrably incorrectly] recorded as a Covid death) it remains that of a population of 70 million odd, Covid hasn’t claimed more than 1000 people under the age of 55 and if you think of all the people under 55 who were already on a wobbly wicket and not made for old bones that’s quite a low number.

So, it remains if you are on a wobbly wicket over over 65 then it’s up to you to self isolate and it’s up to everyone else to stop the economic meltdown by getting back to work.

 

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, to view such a seriously high number of covid 19 deaths and now we are told many may not even have died from this disease yet put on the death certificate it must be an added dilemma for the families involved, I would think those brave NHS staff who sadly died covid 19 was the outcome due to the PPE shortage or just unlucky with the work they were doing, as for care homes and staff had the government been more diligent and put in place the required PPE and testing weeks before then maybe many who died in care homes the numbers would be far lower, I am sure when the government decide to hold a review all this will show some flaws in what should have been a better process as some of the experts brought in and those in WHO might not have been so flimsy in their opinions, you only need to look at the wearing of masks, and people not adhering to social distancing like Bournemouth beach and now finding hotspots like Leicester where people cram into houses I just hope a 2nd spike does not come towards the year end, 

[AVB]

I had lunch today with a mate who until a couple of months ago was working in Qatar. Qatar has the highest number of cases per million of population but, interestingly, is only 59th in the count of deaths per million of population. He was saying that this is a total farce and that people have being dying in their thousands, primarily amongst the immigrant construction workers. They simply closed off the dormitories housing them with tanks on the streets and left them to die. Then shipped the bodies back to Bangladesh/Pakistan/Nepal etc. Because they weren’t Qatar nationals they weren’t counted. 
 

I know that Qatar was in the spotlight because of their human rights record regarding construction workers but that shocked me.