vermin shoot and mature partner wanted

[AIRARMSTX200]

I think you need to read this:

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35363

Edited September 17, 2007 by new to the flock
conflict to site rules

[junior111111]

I think you need to read this:

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35363

whats that about kev???

[Hunter]

I think you need to read this:

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35363

whats that about kev???

 

 

His post was edited to include a link to the PW rules. His original post has been removed to provide this link by a moderator.

[AIRARMSTX200]

I think you need to read this:

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=35363

 

well im sorry if i have upset anyone on pigeon watchers i thought this site was about meeting new freinds and sharing shoots thats all im doing asking to share when i meet up with a fellow airgunner

[Dave-G]

I have to comment on this silly rule - albeit one which I will meekly observe. Well almost

 

I saw the rule posted a while ago and meant to make a reply but lacked the time to do so. I was extremely surprised to find no-one had commenced a debate on it when I next signed in, but I cant recall if it was a closed thread or not. I meant to take this up shortly afterwards but got distracted again so here goes now.

 

I know there are a few members who absolutely detest lowlifes who ask for permission - well they get treated as some sort of pondlife here anyway. Posts offering shooting opportunities were mostly poorly disguised sarcasm that predictably drew few takers. Asking for shooting venues is after all a topic about shooting - pigeon or otherwise.

 

I know this may shock and horrify some members, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meeting new shooting friends or taking someone under our wing is a very important part of our chosen hobby. If someone don't want to reply to a 'shoot/friend wanted' post it's really quite simple to move to another discussion topic surely? This sort of rule is making it a bit of a grumpy old furts forum.

 

Take this into it's real perspective please gents. If you want to know where to do some model aircraft flying - for example, or look at birds, or find a piece of camo where do you ask? A forum that is related to that hobby. I know we all worked super hard to get our permissions - It took some 20 odd farmhouse doors before I got my first decent one, Then more followed as they do. You can't blame someone for asking is all I'm saying. They aren't doing anything wrong.

 

Just my two-pennyworth like

[Dave-G]

Cant find one I was referring to without digging real deep - but yours was another one.

 

Don't get me wrong here Winnie, anyone is entitled to decide the hurdles someone must jump to take up an offer, but I really think you were stacking yours up deliberately too high in a way to discourage most... then had a moan when you got little response. Time will tell and I truly hope you found the right people - perhaps you could let us know at some future time?

 

I know we had a spate of people asking for help and think you and someone else put the bait out to see how many bit. You also posted a little comment about some of us being "free murchunts"? in this post: private 1700 acres invite which came across - perhaps unintentionally - as noses in a trough when all we were doing was offering to accompany someone who indicated he had too much land and wanted a shooting buddy to come along. I like someone to accompany me most times too - so we had something in common.

 

 

I'm also thinking this decision could be against the interest of the site sponsor in that less shooters equals less potential income. I must be out of step here because I seem to be the only member who see's this as against the general interest of a shooting forum - or the only one willing to say he see's it. If I've got that wrong no doubt someone will say so.

 

What surprised me most of all is that The new rule came out of the blue with little or no debate - unless I missed it

[Suffolk shooter]

Hmmmmmmm.

 

Where do I start. Firstly gents I believe the three of us covered this under another post, but Dave-G I can see your point to an extent. However, the rules are the rules and are stated on the forum for those new to it.

 

Winchester has valid points to his arguement and I cannot see anything wrong with anything he has asked for. I'll use my circumstances to explain.

 

In terms of transport, I drive myself to help out FB111 and FG.22, infact we actually drive round in my vehicle period. helps I don't have to pay for fuel and that my boss (also my mate) shoots and has no problem with it.

 

I wouldn't dream of ever asking to go shooting regularly on others permission for any quarry if I didn't own my own gun. there may be some who are looking to have a go at clays, pigeons whatever before going out and buying all the kit. This makes sense, and I would help where I could. However there comes a point where if they are going regularly then they should be building up they own equipment starting with Gun, clothing and progressing to own deeks etc.

 

When I really got into it I would go along with someone who had the full kit, (I had gun, clothing before all this) and would utilise their's. Now I have hide, poles, magnet, flying deeks, shell deeks, seat etc and therefore self sufficient.

 

Not asking the landowner/farmer for permission on land of somebody you not only go with, but kindly helped you in the first place is Golden Rule No2 (after Safety at all times). I wouldn't dream of asking FB111's farmer or FG.22 Uncle and dad for permission to shoot on their permissions. Why? Firstly its not the done thing, but secondly getting out with like minded others is more important to me than building a permission portfolio (Which some on here seem keen to do).

 

I have land to shoot over already, and can on rare occaissions (due to syndicate land) take others on there to shoot pigeons, and have done so.

 

I personally will offer anybody in the local area to me all the help I possibly can in terms of holding Lamp, driving, beating, vermin control and off the top of my head can think of two that I do regularly and two that I have spoken over the phone to and discussed any problems in an effort to help. For that I don't expect or ask for shooting. If the people I have spoken to recently except my offer then great I get to meet two other likeminded souls from PW.

 

Land thats' free from shooters already or that the owners are willing to let people on is at an all time premium. It takes time and effort like everything else in life to get and is easy to lose through the stupidity of someone you thought was a friend or indeed was safe.

 

Those who offer land to shoot over have every right to be wary and stipulate the rules.

 

SS

[Dave-G]

In reply mate ,the out come of my post was this ,out of 6 people you may get 2 genuine who are willing to comit not just come a couple of times and then you hear nothing . For the pigion shooting i have now got 4 mates that have There OWN transport, there OWN decoys,THERE OWN SHOTGUNS and INSURANCE These people are Dingo45,LIDLOR,BSA Shawn as and when he can come, JDJones. As for the lamping i have had some come once and thats it, but there are 2 so far that look like they will cut the mustard, auto culto, deadeye ive ,Now let me address the standerd set as you say TOO HIGH

I have very high standerds where safety + shooting is concerned. The Correct cloathing part is so they DONT GET WET-COLD OR BRAKE THERE ANCKLE the last thing i want to do is carry them plus my kit off the field, getting too old for that now (make sence to you) OWN TRANSPORT I am not willing to transport them to and from my permissions from there home (SO A LITTLE COMITMENT REQUIRED ON THERE PART ) OWN SHOT GUN well that dont require much savi NOT ASKING MY LAND OWNERS FOR PERMISSION i THINK THAT SPEEKS FOR IT SELF i have Lost some once never again .

Any way you are so critical of my offer i dont see YOU OFFERING SHOOTING TO ANYONE if you have a better offer put up or shut up, sorry but it kind of annoys me when people criticise a genuine offer, and offer NOTHING THEM SELF

 

Well here's my "put up" winnie, well the one I made on this forum to benefit shottie owners:

 

Occasional crow shooting opportunity

It was accepted by someone who spoke highly of you and your experience. I doubt he would have fitted your requirements as he works nights, frequently at weekends. I see you amended the part about the rigid availablity times - which was a darn good idea - and one of the things I had in mind

 

As said my friend, you have every right to set high standards, I don't blame you. the main criteria I was critical of was in relation to a post that you subsequently edited, about needing the 'applicant to effectively be available weekday, weeknight, weekend day, weekend night, have both a shottie and FAC, use both shottie and FAC for lamping. This would require an unemployed person - but drawing benefits, or retired but very fit man of leisure.

 

This would be insurpassable for most shooters is the point I made in that post. I can agree I may have read it wrong - but if I did then it's quite possible other potential shooters also read you queens english the same as me?

 

SS - thanks for your input - very valid as usual. It still seems very silly to ban anyone from asking for someone to help with a shooting location when we could just ignore the request instead. I have yet to see a debate on this ruling that just popped up from nowhere. It is after all a shooting forum - and just today there is yet another offer of sorts for shooting being made available which is the flip side of the coin is it not?

[Dave-G]

Guy's, but Winnie in particular. I went to work this evening with this weighing heavily on my mind. I'm a cabbie and dropped nearby so popped in to put something right.

 

That "Queens english" bit finally hit home. I've used the words "sarcastic/sarcasm" wrongly Which has put you on the defensive. I cant quite grasp the word I wanted but it alludes to setting almost unacheivable objectives that will rarely be possible.

 

Thanks too for the offer Kev - I wasn't actually trying to get one for myself as I can't plan that far ahead with my sleep impediment.

 

Take care all.

[Dave-G]

Now I've finished work I have time to go into more detail of why I hope to find more rabbiting land, and why I can't accept your very kind offer Kev.

 

The hand wringing bit... I placed a post here some time ago about being pleased I had found someone (Roadkill) who might be able to accompany me rabbiting on some nights off. Almost the very next day my younger brother notified me he had employed someone and would have more time to go shooting with me. Now on it's own I'd have said tough luck brother - I just found someone else. However...

 

He was the culprit for my renewed interest in shooting. He has permission over 1000's of acres in Cornwall that are teeming with bunnies and fox. When he takes me around them I get more in one night down there than 10 nights in Leicester! The last time I was there for a week I must have shot near on 200 rabbits. With the sheer volume of the problem we can and need to be ruthless pest exterminaters rather than take the selective head/upper body shots I try for up here that can sometimes be a miss but lets the rabbit escape to have babies for shooting at a later time. He has temporarily returned to Leicester to resurect a business he had up here to give it to his son in a couple of years or so. I have therefore been obliged to provide access to my shooting permisions: but we have just about overshot everywhere I can shoot up here barring a couple of small places I have kept up my sleeve to rest them for a bit.

 

When the pheasant season closes I will have more land available to me again, And have more in the offing from a gamekeeper who simply doesn't have time for it himself. That's a potential few hundred acres next to existing permisions that I'm looking forwards to when their season closes in February.

 

So for now I am looking for more land to lamp over. However whilst I'd absoloutely love to arrange to accompany someone on their permision - which lets me rest some of mine - I have a sleep problem that I simply cannot plan around. I have to be able to give my plans a miss if I did not get my sleep which would let down that person. Tiredness and shooting don't mix too well. At such short notice it would be better to seek more local venues than yours, and if there are any local gamekeepers or landowners looking for ruthless rabbit culls we would gladly help.

 

For the record - Roadkill is welcome to arrange crow bashing with my base permission farmer as and when it suits him.

 

So there: I have indicated a desire for more shooting land - but it's not a post requesting shooting permision

[junior111111]

Cant find one I was referring to without digging real deep - but yours was another one.

 

Don't get me wrong here Winnie, anyone is entitled to decide the hurdles someone must jump to take up an offer, but I really think you were stacking yours up deliberately too high in a way to discourage most... then had a moan when you got little response. Time will tell and I truly hope you found the right people - perhaps you could let us know at some future time?

 

I know we had a spate of people asking for help and think you and someone else put the bait out to see how many bit. You also posted a little comment about some of us being "free murchunts"? in this post: private 1700 acres invite which came across - perhaps unintentionally - as noses in a trough when all we were doing was offering to accompany someone who indicated he had too much land and wanted a shooting buddy to come along. I like someone to accompany me most times too - so we had something in common.

 

 

I'm also thinking this decision could be against the interest of the site sponsor in that less shooters equals less potential income. I must be out of step here because I seem to be the only member who see's this as against the general interest of a shooting forum - or the only one willing to say he see's it. If I've got that wrong no doubt someone will say so.

 

What surprised me most of all is that The new rule came out of the blue with little or no debate - unless I missed it

hi bud, i did put my own debate under this and 2day ive logged on and my post has disapeared!!! i wonder who has the power to remove posts??totally unfair that i couldnt argue the case..im not even gonna waste my time just for some 1to come remove my post..totally out of order...whys our sport going down hill well thats for you guys to ask your selves and i tell you some thing its the people who dont wanna help others thats why...i cant beleive this is even being debated we should be helping each other no ifs no buts but obviously thats not the way it works..same as every thing in this country greed takes over..ive got a shoot sod any1 else..whys our sport going down hill?

[junior111111]

I have to comment on this silly rule - albeit one which I will meekly observe. Well almost

 

I saw the rule posted a while ago and meant to make a reply but lacked the time to do so. I was extremely surprised to find no-one had commenced a debate on it when I next signed in, but I cant recall if it was a closed thread or not. I meant to take this up shortly afterwards but got distracted again so here goes now.

 

I know there are a few members who absolutely detest lowlifes who ask for permission - well they get treated as some sort of pondlife here anyway. Posts offering shooting opportunities were mostly poorly disguised sarcasm that predictably drew few takers. Asking for shooting venues is after all a topic about shooting - pigeon or otherwise.

 

I know this may shock and horrify some members, but...

 

 

 

i put a post under this 1 weres it gone????verry interesting indeed..tryed to argue the case in whats wrong with shooting buddys and my post grows legs and runs off hhhmmmm weres it gone??? i take it this forum dont agree with shooting buddys even though theres a meet section?? i think people are missing the point weather you have permission or not theres people like me who have no were at all to shoot why?? cuz people have all the permission to there selves and dont want to share,gaining more than they need, in my personnell opinion..then we wonder why the bans are coming in, why the sports going down, why theres guns on the streets???i wonder if people sharing shoots could help these problems??this is the last post i put on this thread as i went into some serious depth with my last post for it to grow legs and wonder off, i wonder if it found a shoot???hhmmm...people who have tryed to argue the case that people should share thank you, i cant understand why its a problem but there you go, pointless arguing because we aint gonna win this 1..good luck every one

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meeting new shooting friends or taking someone under our wing is a very important part of our chosen hobby. If someone don't want to reply to a 'shoot/friend wanted' post it's really quite simple to move to another discussion topic surely? This sort of rule is making it a bit of a grumpy old furts forum.

 

Take this into it's real perspective please gents. If you want to know where to do some model aircraft flying - for example, or look at birds, or find a piece of camo where do you ask? A forum that is related to that hobby. I know we all worked super hard to get our permissions - It took some 20 odd farmhouse doors before I got my first decent one, Then more followed as they do. You can't blame someone for asking is all I'm saying. They aren't doing anything wrong.

 

Just my two-pennyworth like

[roadkill]

Now I've finished work I have time to go into more detail of why I hope to find more rabbiting land, and why I can't accept your very kind offer Kev.

 

The hand wringing bit... I placed a post here some time ago about being pleased I had found someone (Roadkill) who might be able to accompany me rabbiting on some nights off. Almost the very next day my younger brother notified me he had employed someone and would have more time to go shooting with me. Now on it's own I'd have said tough luck brother - I just found someone else. However...

 

He was the culprit for my renewed interest in shooting. He has permission over 1000's of acres in Cornwall that are teeming with bunnies and fox. When he takes me around them I get more in one night down there than 10 nights in Leicester! The last time I was there for a week I must have shot near on 200 rabbits. With the sheer volume of the problem we can and need to be ruthless pest exterminaters rather than take the selective head/upper body shots I try for up here that can sometimes be a miss but lets the rabbit escape to have babies for shooting at a later time. He has temporarily returned to Leicester to resurect a business he had up here to give it to his son in a couple of years or so. I have therefore been obliged to provide access to my shooting permisions: but we have just about overshot everywhere I can shoot up here barring a couple of small places I have kept up my sleeve to rest them for a bit.

 

When the pheasant season closes I will have more land available to me again, And have more in the offing from a gamekeeper who simply doesn't have time for it himself. That's a potential few hundred acres next to existing permisions that I'm looking forwards to when their season closes in February.

 

So for now I am looking for more land to lamp over. However whilst I'd absoloutely love to arrange to accompany someone on their permision - which lets me rest some of mine - I have a sleep problem that I simply cannot plan around. I have to be able to give my plans a miss if I did not get my sleep which would let down that person. Tiredness and shooting don't mix too well. At such short notice it would be better to seek more local venues than yours, and if there are any local gamekeepers or landowners looking for ruthless rabbit culls we would gladly help.

 

For the record - Roadkill is welcome to arrange crow bashing with my base permission farmer as and when it suits him.

 

So there: I have indicated a desire for more shooting land - but it's not a post requesting shooting permision :blink:

 

 

when it comes to shooting the hardest part in my eyes is finding people to trust you with there permission , so far with the help of this forum i have found a few people who do trust you and are there to help you along your way

without people like Dave-g , winchester and autocluto i would still be down the clay pigeon shoot . Not only have they taken me with them they have also shared there knowledge and became good friends so a big thumbs up to pigeonwatch

[junior111111]

Now I've finished work I have time to go into more detail of why I hope to find more rabbiting land, and why I can't accept your very kind offer Kev.

 

The hand wringing bit... I placed a post here some time ago about being pleased I had found someone (Roadkill) who might be able to accompany me rabbiting on some nights off. Almost the very next day my younger brother notified me he had employed someone and would have more time to go shooting with me. Now on it's own I'd have said tough luck brother - I just found someone else. However...

 

He was the culprit for my renewed interest in shooting. He has permission over 1000's of acres in Cornwall that are teeming with bunnies and fox. When he takes me around them I get more in one night down there than 10 nights in Leicester! The last time I was there for a week I must have shot near on 200 rabbits. With the sheer volume of the problem we can and need to be ruthless pest exterminaters rather than take the selective head/upper body shots I try for up here that can sometimes be a miss but lets the rabbit escape to have babies for shooting at a later time. He has temporarily returned to Leicester to resurect a business he had up here to give it to his son in a couple of years or so. I have therefore been obliged to provide access to my shooting permisions: but we have just about overshot everywhere I can shoot up here barring a couple of small places I have kept up my sleeve to rest them for a bit.

 

When the pheasant season closes I will have more land available to me again, And have more in the offing from a gamekeeper who simply doesn't have time for it himself. That's a potential few hundred acres next to existing permisions that I'm looking forwards to when their season closes in February.

 

So for now I am looking for more land to lamp over. However whilst I'd absoloutely love to arrange to accompany someone on their permision - which lets me rest some of mine - I have a sleep problem that I simply cannot plan around. I have to be able to give my plans a miss if I did not get my sleep which would let down that person. Tiredness and shooting don't mix too well. At such short notice it would be better to seek more local venues than yours, and if there are any local gamekeepers or landowners looking for ruthless rabbit culls we would gladly help.

 

For the record - Roadkill is welcome to arrange crow bashing with my base permission farmer as and when it suits him.

 

So there: I have indicated a desire for more shooting land - but it's not a post requesting shooting permision

 

 

when it comes to shooting the hardest part in my eyes is finding people to trust you with there permission , so far with the help of this forum i have found a few people who do trust you and are there to help you along your way

without people like Dave-g , winchester and autocluto i would still be down the clay pigeon shoot . Not only have they taken me with them they have also shared there knowledge and became good friends so a big thumbs up to pigeonwatch

hhhhmmmmm some 1 edited my thread again lol