Recommend a 3" 410 load please

[morgan]

Hi

I have owned a 410 hand loader type set up, very similar to a Lee Loader for 20 years, but somehow never quite made the mental leap to use it.

Would be very grateful if someone could please advise on a good stating load for 3" and maybe a 2.5" as well, with the exact make and type of wads and primers to obtain please. I think I have both roll turn over and crimp tools. The 3" empties I have are Eley and the 2.5" ones are Eley and Winchester. I would just be looking to replicate the factory loading.

Idealy using H110 or Littlegun, as I reload for centerfire and have these powders already available. These days it seems well worth reloading 410 on economic as well as satisfaction grounds.

Many Thanks

Edited May 31, 2024 by morgan

[enfieldspares]

There are loads on the Hodgdon website for just that, H110 and LilGun using various cases. Good luck though with findind wads...I am also stymied by lack of wads! If you do find some please let me know.

https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/?t=3

Edited May 31, 2024 by enfieldspares

[morgan]

Thank you for the link. I'm probably sounding quite dim, but it doesnt say which wads to use. Its not an absolute but would probably rather use fibre. I do have some fibre wads in different sizes and also some plastic G-Nana, that I think are for 2.5" shells. Surely the wads effect the compaction of the powder and pressure.

Edited May 31, 2024 by morgan

[Andy H]

Here is a load from Ian Charlton .

16 grains h110, gualandi H17 wad cx50 primer with 19 grams of 2.4mm shot and crimped with a 6 point crimp , The tested pressure is 771 bar.

[enfieldspares]

1 hour ago, morgan said:

Thank you for the link. I'm probably sounding quite dim, but it doesnt say which wads to use. 

It does:

Edited May 31, 2024 by enfieldspares

[morgan]

6 hours ago, Andy H said:

Here is a load from Ian Charlton .

16 grains h110, gualandi H17 wad cx50 primer with 19 grams of 2.4mm shot and crimped with a 6 point crimp , The tested pressure is 771 bar.

Thank you, I will start gathering components. Is the brand of cartridge case critical for case capacity or is it a case of loading down a little first and then building up, checking for pressure ? Many thanks

Edited May 31, 2024 by morgan

[morgan]

5 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

It does:

Hahaha as I said 😊 Thank you pointing out that bit of blindness. So you cannot use a generic wad then. I see Clay and Game don't have these in stock. Or are there proven substitutes people have tried and tested. Many Thanks.

[Andy H]

11 hours ago, morgan said:

Thank you, I will start gathering components. Is the brand of cartridge case critical for case capacity or is it a case of loading down a little first and then building up, checking for pressure ? Many thanks

This load was tested using standard cases used by European manufacturers not American compression formed cases , If you roll crimp the loaded cartridge the pressure will be lower than the stated pressure with a 6 point crimp.

If you can get Vectan SP3 powder 14 grains with a roll crimp and 21 grams of 2.4mm shot the pressure drops to 440 bar with the speed at 1150 fps.

Edited June 1, 2024 by Andy H

[morgan]

Thank that is interesting info about the crimps.

19 hours ago, Andy H said:

Here is a load from Ian Charlton .

16 grains h110, gualandi H17 wad cx50 primer with 19 grams of 2.4mm shot and crimped with a 6 point crimp , The tested pressure is 771 bar.

Edited June 1, 2024 by morgan

[enfieldspares]

This may be useful to the OP when the wad supply issue is resolved. On what was said I bought H110.

https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/410-hodgdon-powder-h110-vs-lilgun.120195/