sandersj89 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Well the good news is I got my FAC back from a 1:1 variation, removing a .22LR and adding a slot for .243. As such I now have a FAC for .17HMR and .243. Posted 1:1 forms on the 9th of January, so not a bad turn around by Sussex. I originally applied for the variation for the .243 so I could get a centre fire suitable for both foxing and deer. Sussex police, my licensing authority, did not have a problem for a .243 for foxing but ask me to attend a DSC1 for the deer option. (Something I was not bothered about as I always intended doing a DSC at some point, along with some hands on mentoring.) My FAC has today come back with the additional conditions worded as such: 5. The (I) .17HMR CZ Rifle and sound Moderator (IIb & IIb) .243 rifle and sound moderator and ammunition shall be used for shooting (I) Vermin & Fox (IIa) Fox (IIb) Deer whilst attending a DSC Level 1 course at (the name of the centre I am attending in March) and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable by the chief constable of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. 6. The certificate holder may posses, purchase or acquire expanding ammo, or the missiles of such ammo, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and use only in connection with (a) the lawful shooting of deer ( the shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife. As I read it: .17HMR is fine for Vermin and Fox .243 is fine for Fox I, once I have completed the DSC1, can then apply for my ticket to be revised to cover deer on my permissions. This is not an open ticket Does that sound about right? Thanks Jerry PS, trip planned to Sportmans at Exeter for Saterday, could be an expensive day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 As I read it: .17HMR is fine for Vermin and Fox .243 is fine for Fox I, once I have completed the DSC1, can then apply for my ticket to be revised to cover deer on my permissions. This is not an open ticket Does that sound about right? Thanks Jerry PS, trip planned to Sportmans at Exeter for Saterday, could be an expensive day! Thats how I read it A trip to sportsmans is always dangerous, what are you thinking of buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I originally applied for the variation for the .243 so I could get a centre fire suitable for both foxing and deer. Sussex police, my licensing authority, did not have a problem for a .243 for foxing but ask me to attend a DSC1 for the deer option. This is NOT part of British firearms law and shows once again how the "Voluntary" status of the DSC has now become compulsory by the back door. And the more of you that allow this to be imposed on your FAC, then the more entrenched it will become in the unofficial law that is now being imposed by more and more firearms dept’s. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 A trip to sportsmans is always dangerous, what are you thinking of buying? And there in lies the rub. To be honest I am not sure yet. I like synthetic and stainless steel. I like Tikka, Sako, Styr, Browning but I want to handle a few before I jump...... Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 This is NOT part of British firearms law and shows once again how the "Voluntary" status of the DSC has now become compulsory by the back door. And the more of you that allow this to be imposed on your FAC, then the more entrenched it will become in the unofficial law that is now being imposed by more and more firearms dept’s. I can see you point, and in part agree with you. But, and this is important to me, I would not be happy to go out and shoot a deer without: a) Being comfortable with all the legal requirements deer shooting entails, I am more than happy to shoot foxes as I have done so for a long time, but a deer, is a much larger beast, I want to do the best I can for the beast. The results of my deer shooting will enter the food chain, I am fine with dealing ground and flying game, been shooting for over 25 years, but I have never had to deal with deer, the DSC will give me some insight there. Yes I know it is not a full game handling qualification but it does go some way. c) I want to do the theory, I could sort out a mentor, indeed I know a number of stalkers, but I want to make sure I know the book before I try and interpret it for myself. Also I have a good relationship with my FEO, I am not going to rock the boat. He knows me, he knows I am safe, as far as he can tell from sitting talking to me in the kitchen on renewals, he has pushed through my initial FAC and this variation in good time compared to normal. I fully expect him to open my certificate up soon. I will also give you another angle, from the other side of the fence so to speak. One of my permissions is my families own land. In effect I am a land owner. From the point of view of a responsible land owner I can see the advantage of a DSC qualification. We live in a changing world, I want to do my best by the quarry, by the landowner and by the powers that be. If I want to apply for another calibre in the future I want a good relationship with those in the know and those that can say yes. I am happy to do the DSC, when I pass I will feel more confident in my abilities. I still need to back that up with practical application but I will be on the right track Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I originally applied for the variation for the .243 so I could get a centre fire suitable for both foxing and deer. Sussex police, my licensing authority, did not have a problem for a .243 for foxing but ask me to attend a DSC1 for the deer option. This is NOT part of British firearms law and shows once again how the "Voluntary" status of the DSC has now become compulsory by the back door. And the more of you that allow this to be imposed on your FAC, then the more entrenched it will become in the unofficial law that is now being imposed by more and more firearms dept’s. G.M. Well said Graham. I had owned a .243 (Fox and Deer) for three years. My renewal came up and I enclosed a letter specifically stating that I wanted an open certificate. The FEO did everything he could to try and talk me into doing a DSC course. I refused point blank but still got my open certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 A trip to sportsmans is always dangerous, what are you thinking of buying? And there in lies the rub. To be honest I am not sure yet. I like synthetic and stainless steel. I like Tikka, Sako, Styr, Browning but I want to handle a few before I jump...... Jerry Personally I would steer clear of a syth Steyr if it it's a pro mountain, I think you will love the Sako 85 and for the money I think Tikka take some beating. I am seriously considering trading in my Sako 75 wood/blue for the 85 stainless. I'm sure you will find something! Moses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Personally I would steer clear of a syth Steyr if it it's a pro mountain I have heard some reports of the bendy forend, is this your reasoning? Cheers Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Personally I would steer clear of a syth Steyr if it it's a pro mountain I have heard some reports of the bendy forend, is this your reasoning? Cheers Jerry It is indeed, I have a friend who had the mark 1 in 6.5x55 and had problems with it, he swaped it for the mark 2 and still has problems with it. He is going to have it strengthend next week. Also to be honest I don't like the feel of the plastic bolt handle, safety and magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I originally applied for the variation for the .243 so I could get a centre fire suitable for both foxing and deer. Sussex police, my licensing authority, did not have a problem for a .243 for foxing but ask me to attend a DSC1 for the deer option. This is NOT part of British firearms law and shows once again how the "Voluntary" status of the DSC has now become compulsory by the back door. And the more of you that allow this to be imposed on your FAC, then the more entrenched it will become in the unofficial law that is now being imposed by more and more firearms dept’s. G.M. This bugs the hell out of me, the DSC is promoted by the BASC and its not a bad thing to do but with firearms departments trying to make it compulsory I see it as a conflict of interests occuring. The DSC courses are run by a company very closely related to BASC and registered at the same address and at the point where its being forced on people is the organisation lobbying in the shooters best interests or in the interests of making its training company viable. One things for sure theres an 85K turnover company just on the back of the courses so a few people are doing them. As a sceptic seeing other companies registered and waiting to be used with names such as THE CODE OF GOOD SHOOTING PRACTICE LIMITED it does make me wonder if more shooters are in line for some enforced training in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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