ph5172 Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 I may have caused some confusion. Starlings are NOT on the general licence (removed 05) { for England only, Wales Scotland and NI they are still under the general licence} This was an ammendment and the act itself (the wording) still remains and i did not look at the ammendments at the back ... so many apologies for any confusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Wrong. You have to shoot woodpigeons within the general licence to prevent them damaging crops etc. Luring them into your garden on a bird table is not good enough reason to shoot them within the law. FM That's wrong. The BASC advice on this is very clear. The General Licence allows you to kill woodpigeons even although they are not damaging crops locally. You can kill them anywhere you have permission to shoot. Using an airgun in a garden is generally OK as long as you are not endangering anyone. Using a rimfire .22 or any other FAC firearm would depend upon the location having been approved on your FAC. No such restrictions on SC but, again, safety would be an issue, as would noise and disturbance of neighbours. But, assuming you are a BASC member, give their office a ring and get a definitive answer to your specific situation. Explain the court case then where someone was convicted for shooting starlings when they were on the licence by luring them into the garden with food. Exactly the same principle, infact other than the bird species it's identical. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 See here - http://www.basc.org.uk/media/basc_overview...ences_in_uk.pdf Also, you do not have to have tried non-lethal methods of control. You just need to know that they are ineffective. The above BASC guidance is all you need. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 And simply removing the food that was placed there in the first place to attract them to the garden wouldn't be an effective way of getting rid of the birds? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 And simply removing the food that was placed there in the first place to attract them to the garden wouldn't be an effective way of getting rid of the birds? FM FM is correct, to stop pigeons eating food from a bird table its not too difficult to take the food off it, they have no reason to visit anyway. To shoot pigeons you need a reason to do so anyway, whats your reason? Eating bird food? if so pigeons are birds, the chances are they are going to eat it......you get the idea. In a court of law they are not going to take your side because you said that you put bird food out and birds were eating it (not going to work is it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 See here - http://www.basc.org.uk/media/basc_overview...ences_in_uk.pdf Also, you do not have to have tried non-lethal methods of control. You just need to know that they are ineffective. The above BASC guidance is all you need. Jim Never said YOU had to try them, just that they had been tried. Noone can say its innefective if it hasn't been tried first at some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 See here - http://www.basc.org.uk/media/basc_overview...ences_in_uk.pdf Also, you do not have to have tried non-lethal methods of control. You just need to know that they are ineffective. The above BASC guidance is all you need. Jim Never said YOU had to try them, just that they had been tried. Noone can say its innefective if it hasn't been tried first at some time. Dave, You're missing the point here. The ineffectiveness test applied for woodpigeons (but not necessarily for other species under the General Licence) is theoretical, not practical, so it does not depend upon particular non-lethal methods having been tried and tested. The theoretical basis of the ineffectiveness of non-lethal methods of control for woodpigeons is not that scaring with acetylene bangers, etc will be ineffective for specific crops in specific locations (clearly it is) but, rather, that woodpigeons are highly mobile and scaring them from one location will not be effective in preventing them damaging crops 100 miles away the next day. To prevent that, you have to kill them. I used to think the same as you, but James Scott at the BASC office explained it very clearly to me. It is the application of that theoretical logic, rather than any practical tests, that allow you to be satisfied that non-lethal methods are ineffective. It makes sense if you think about it. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Can't see a problem Jim. We're actually pretty much saying the same thing Yes Mr Pleeceman some farmers round her have tried bird scarers and scarecrows with little effect. They keep coming back. Now scuse me please, there's another 100 coming in. Oh dear they've just pooped on your nice white car. As a matter of interest has anyone been taken to task for shooting pigeons? No argument. No brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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