auto culto Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Has anyone used these on game ? just wondering how well they perform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 You shouldn't be using match bullets on game - they do not expand well enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 *** i've just been sold these as i was told that they are fine for both as there hollow point i.e expanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 They are a hollow point but not expanding. The HPBT stands for hollow point boat tailled. There are a fine bullet for long range accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game . The hollow point in these bullits is for cavitation which helps to spin the bullit and to stabilise it when it has left the barrel and not for expantion . They are a full metal jacket and will punch a hole through a deer without expanding . Who ever told you they can be used on game is wrong . Harnser . Edited October 17, 2008 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 now I'm really peed off . I bought 100 of these as i was told they are fine for both target and game. Are there any bullet heads out their that are suitable for both disciplines as i don't want to keep re-zeroing for different loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Any of the sierra bullets are good, it depends what you mean "For target" as you are not allowed to use expanding ammunition on MOD ranges such as bisley etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting . Your ticket will state that the expanding bullets are for shooting pests and deer . My ticket allows me to zero my rifles on the farms that i shoot on but would not constitute target shooting . I think that you are going to have to buy some of each and bite the bullet ( excuse the pun ). Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting Ok so what should he use them for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting Ok so what should he use them for The hollow point boat tail bullet is purely for target shooting . The hollow point expanding bullet is purely for shooting pests and big game . They are totally different types of bullet designed for different jobs . Harnser . Edited October 17, 2008 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting Ok so what should he use them for The hollow point boat tail bullet is purely for target shooting . The hollow point expanding bullet is purely for shooting pests and big game . Harnser . Boat tail has a taper , hollow point expanding bullet is flat bottomed Cannot see the difference as to what damage it does the tips the same ? Edited October 17, 2008 by magman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting Ok so what should he use them for The hollow point boat tail bullet is purely for target shooting . The hollow point expanding bullet is purely for shooting pests and big game . Harnser . Boat tail has a taper , hollow point expanding bullet is flat bottomed Cannot see the difference as to what damage it does the tips the same ? Magman , Its obvious that you havent seen both these bullets together . The hollow point in the H.P.B.T. is a very fine hole and is not designed to expand and is there for is not an expanding bullet . The hollow point in say a .22 rimfire is hugh by comparrison and is an expanding bullit . Expanding bullets used for deer stalking do not have a hollow point ,but are constructed with a soft exposed lead tip that will expand down onto the copper jacket and form a uniform expansion . There are other types of exspanding bullets that use a plastic tip to the bullet and then expand into the core of the bullet and these are known as ballistic tips . Incidently i use a boat tail soft spire point expanding bullet for stalking .In my humble opinion the best bullet for deer . I hope this makes it a bit clearer for you Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I can assure you that they are illegal for use on game Strictly you should not be using hollow point expanding ammo for target shooting Ok so what should he use them for The hollow point boat tail bullet is purely for target shooting . The hollow point expanding bullet is purely for shooting pests and big game . Harnser . Boat tail has a taper , hollow point expanding bullet is flat bottomed Cannot see the difference as to what damage it does the tips the same ? Magman , Its obvious that you havent seen both these bullets together . The hollow point in the H.P.B.T. is a very fine hole and is not designed to expand and is there for is not an expanding bullet . The hollow point in say a .22 rimfire is hugh by comparrison and is an expanding bullit . Expanding bullets used for deer stalking do not have a hollow point ,but are constructed with a soft exposed lead tip that will expand down onto the copper jacket and form a uniform expansion . There are other types of exspanding bullets that use a plastic tip to the bullet and then expand into the core of the bullet and these are known as ballistic tips . Incidently i use a boat tail soft spire point expanding bullet for stalking .In my humble opinion the best bullet for deer . I hope this makes it a bit clearer for you Harnser . Oh i have but don't call them h,p.b.t i tend to class them as s,m,p or s,p,t or s,b,t as sierra do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 just been on the sierra site and they say that although the construction is the same as an expanding bullet the core is made from a harder lead alloy and its expansion is unpredictable. So it looks like these fellas are just going to get blazed on the range . I feel that the wording on these are very poor and sierra should be ashamed of not highlighting the fact that these do no expand on the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Sierra HPBT Match.....................the clues are all there if the title of your post is correct. sarcastic ***. you obviously didn't read my first post then. I was sold these on recommendation by a dealer as i needed a heavy bullet for my rifle. He knew I wanted them for mainly deer that's why I'm asking questions about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Auto -culto , Take them back and tell the dealer that you have checked the bullets out and they are not expanding bullets suitable for deer . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slarti54 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I assume the hollow point in these is to shift the centre of gravity to the rear and improve stability then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I assume the hollow point in these is to shift the centre of gravity to the rear and improve stability then? Basically yes ,the hollow point in these bullets is very small and you cannot put a pin in the hole ,it is that small . They work by disrupting the flow of air over the bullet and then streamlines the flow over the tapered boat tail ,or something on that line . They do acually work very well and are a very accurate bullet and in my experiance of them work better over 300 yards . I have used them over many years for long range target shooting and can reccomend them highly . But not to be used on deer ,i am sure that they would kill a deer ,eventualy . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Mods please delete this double post. Edited October 21, 2008 by Tiff-BBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Just thought I'd add a bit to this....... On the other side of the pond, they do not have stupid and illogical laws regarding defining expanding/non-expanding bullets. In the heavier weights 240's and up the MatchKings work extremely well at extended ranges on medium-large game. They expand well and drop most of them on the spot. I'm hoping to get out there again next year to put them to good use (if berger don't come up with something better in the meantime!) However in this country without a court precedent re-classifying them (for which I doubt target shooters would appreciate....) they cannot be used on game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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