perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 what is he patterdale plummer fell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Fell every day of the week PATTERDALES ARE THE SMOOTH ONES!!!!!!!! traditinally fells are the rouhg coated terriers, regardless of the colour Patterdales are now seen by many to be eclusivlybe the smooth coated type. at some of the hunt shows this summer they ever had seperate patterdale classes for the smooth types. definatly a plummer either lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDodge Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Patterdales are smooth and wiry haired. The breed (as it is now considered a breed) is a mix of Jack Russel, Border Terrier and a mish mash of other breeds. Patterdales are called that after the area in the Lake District where they were bred, they are also known as Black Fell Terriers. I've had a Patterdale for 5 years now and they're a wonderful little dog thats full of heart. I've no doubt the dog in the photo is a Patterdale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 arnt they smooth once there fur has been "pulled?" loverly lil pat john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 rough coated patterdal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) arnt they smooth once there fur has been "pulled?" loverly lil pat john boy nope, when they are stripped the coat grows back harsher and denser and usually more close to the skin Dodge, JRT was not ever added to the original make up of the 'fell terrier'. It was infact the other way round, adding fell or lakeland blood to the jack russell to give the dog a better and stronger head. Border and bedlington was used when the original fell terriers were bred. Black fell terriers are the black rough coated terriers NOT rough patterdales what ever the hell they are. Black fells are also called black lakelands. You can read about them and this argument in a book written about Middletons lakeland terriers Edited October 30, 2008 by Tarka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 a friend of mine has a one he used to work, he is a big solid lump, with a big blocky head loverly lil fing so head strong. just got a pat X lakeland called fen she is lile a leggy pat lol lil loony tho. john boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 30 years as a terrierman my patterdales were all smooth coated bully type heads the original patterdale was of a rough coated type . now this argument doe's pop up at show rings i did it myself once for divilment put my mates rough coated dog in a patterdale class then in a fell type class the terrier judge said to me he's not a fell ? he was in the patterdale class ? to me the fell is a rough coated dog and the patterdale a smooth or is it the other way round ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 30 years as a terrierman my patterdales were all smooth coated bully type heads the original patterdale was of a rough coated type . now this argument doe's pop up at show rings i did it myself once for divilment put my mates rough coated dog in a patterdale class then in a fell type class the terrier judge said to me he's not a fell ? he was in the patterdale class ? to me the fell is a rough coated dog and the patterdale a smooth or is it the other way round ? nah your dead right mate...rough = FELL smooth = PATTERDALE i entered my bitch into the fell and lakeland classes at the hunt shows in the summer and got 3 firsts with her One show didnt have a fell class....just lakeland and patterdale and i werent allowed to enter her into the patterdale. Didnt bother her in the lakie class becuase it was full of beautiful black and tans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 his hair is cut on the photo, it grows long and curly but not very wiry quite fluffy actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjlfishing Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 looks like patterdale to me there is loads of wired hair ones about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) Perfect, his coat will be soft and fluffy at the moment because it aint been stripped properly. Stripping will remove the dead and guard hairs making it grow back wirey and thicker but nowhere near as soft and fluffy. He will look 110% better for it aswell i guarutee it. Mine looked very much like yours before i stripped her, like a little gorilla, but now she not only looks better but shes better off with the better coat If your seriously going to work him then i would advice getting his coat in top condition My Bitch before And her coat now Edited October 30, 2008 by Tarka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 how do i do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 how do i do that? can do it by hand mate....just pinch at it with your finger and thumb and pull it...kind of like plucking a bird...or you can buy a stripping knife/combe of the net and just run it through his coat. Mine took about and hour and half to do and i do it once at the start of the summer (may sort of time) and then again half way through. I might give her a light run through over the winter but only around her eyes but nothing to major Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 changing the subject a bit my dog just wants to kill everything even other dogs he bit a lady's dog on the nose in skegness the other day, how can i socialise him better if he just goes mental and bites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) changing the subject a bit my dog just wants to kill everything even other dogs he bit a lady's dog on the nose in skegness the other day, how can i socialise him better if he just goes mental and bites? not a bad thing mate wanting to kill everything but socalising to other dogs is important. just give it a ####ing when it goes for other dogs. my bitch was a sod with other dogs but is ok now except when the other dog gets a bit full on, then she snaps. she had a go with a staff few weeks back. as for having a strong prey drive, thats terriers mate. Cant do nothing about that especially if its breed well from good working stuff Edited October 30, 2008 by Tarka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) His parents are both working dogs, his coat definitely could do with stripping, i will look more into it. Edited October 30, 2008 by perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDodge Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 nope, when they are stripped the coat grows back harsher and denser and usually more close to the skin Dodge, JRT was not ever added to the original make up of the 'fell terrier'. It was infact the other way round, adding fell or lakeland blood to the jack russell to give the dog a better and stronger head. Border and bedlington was used when the original fell terriers were bred. Black fell terriers are the black rough coated terriers NOT rough patterdales what ever the hell they are. Black fells are also called black lakelands. You can read about them and this argument in a book written about Middletons lakeland terriers I have a breeding book to prove that JRT were put into the original Balck Fell Terrier. The Patterdale Terrier by Sean Frain and published by Swan Hill Press. Very nice book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) Fell Terriers., Extract from Plummers book "The Working Terrier" Fell Terriers. Fell terriers are a mixed bunch.In fact the term is usually applied to any Lakeland Terrier that is not immediately recognizableas a pure-bred Lakeland.Many are blackwith silky top-knots which indicate that the bedlington or allied blood has been used in there creation.Quite a fewof these terriers are very tall.one blue-black dog in Monmouthshire measured 17 inches at the shoulder, but was so narrow-chested it could struggle through a 9 inch pipe.these dogs are a very variable type, but all have as common denominator a great deal of courage.It seems likely that this type of dog was the progenirator of the present day Lakeland terrier.Many photographs of early Lakeland terriers prior to the Kennel Club recognition would be instantly labelled as fell terriers today. Though i have only trained one of these terriers, i have worked with several both in Wales,where they are reasonably popular,and in Northern Lancashire,where some very useful strains are bred.few are used in the midlands, for reasons i shall explain later.Most enter to fox at a fairly early age,and many are extremely good at working foxes in tight places,for most are very narrow chested.On the debit side,some of them are very hard and most have a tendency toward being mute.Furthermore, the very narrow-chested terrier usually has a weak head with very poor jaws in proportion to the overall size.Most Lakeland and northern hunters have some heretical views about jaw size.The general opinion is that a dog does not require strong jaws to dispose of a fox,for most of the fox-killing dogs kill by strangling action rather than by simply crunching the fox with strong jaws.As i have stated, i am not entirely happy about this theory since i tend to favour terriers with strong jaws, even if they gain a little in chest width. i have judged great number of fell-type terriers with jaws that have sometimes been broken by foxes.Nevertheless the average fell-type terrier is usually not so aggresive as the lakeland and is certainly less fiery than the so-called patterdale. Summary This is the ideal type of dog to work and kill foxes in rock piles and tight-roof earths. Their value in bolting foxes,which is what most hunts need them for,is a bit limited on account of the fact that they tend to be hard.They are usually usefull dogs to introduce into jack Russell terrier stock which has become too chesty.Some very nice northern Jack Russel terriers owe their present shape to a liberal dose of Fell-terrier blood, and one noted winning Jack Russel terrier was a white-bodied puppy from a mating of two black terriers that had bred relatively true for generations. Edited October 30, 2008 by perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I have a breeding book to prove that JRT were put into the original Balck Fell Terrier. The Patterdale Terrier by Sean Frain and published by Swan Hill Press. Very nice book. HA FRAIN enough said really the mans a **** adn wouldnt know his **** from his elbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN88 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I had one just like him he was advertised as a "black dog" but after 6mts i refered to him as a little ******* he was the spawn of satan he was up for my english bullterrier 90lbs + ,6 foot gate no problem ,faster than my mates lurcher, off his head ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thats got to be the best discription yet !!! lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 proper nose biters and sock thieves lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnybgood Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 HA FRAIN enough said really the mans a **** adn wouldnt know his **** from his elbow Whats up with frain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 He's a little ******* by the looks of it :look: LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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