silver_pigeon Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi all, Can anyone tell us what Patterdale x Jack Russell dogs are like in character!? Has anyone been able to field-proof one, even if it is only as a shooting companion, not as a gundog!? We are looking to get a companion for 18-month old Bryn the Cairn Terrier, and the "Patterjack" is a breed of interest, but apart from being a nice looking stamp of a dog, we'd like any advice out there on what their temperments and requirements are! Also, straight Jack Russells, this would be a considered breed too! Are they ok to be left in the house during work hours (with plenty of visit time) without destroying everything in sight!!? Any comments appreciated! Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 We have a parsons JR, but he has been brought up with spaniels, He works well but will not engage a fox, (probably for the best) he hates squirrels tho. he sits at the peg and retrieves well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 music to my ears so how is he when left at home ? we just need to find a dog pup that will be available around 19th 20th of dec as we then have combined 6 weeks leave ! will make purfect timing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 He is fine left at home, but isnt often left alone, he settles with the spaniels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pair away Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 dont no if this will help , but if your after a pup try the countryman weekly ( paper ) out every wednesday . good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Do that mean we going to hear the PATTERof tiny paws in the Mr+mrsPigeon-Sniper household. Sorry i been sniffing the cough mixture again. :yp: XXXHappyHappySuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_pigeon Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 He he...indeed Suzy, there may be the patter of tiny puppy paws in the Sniper/Pigeon household! Bryn is not settling very well with the new routine of our house and work, and we want to do the right and best thing by him, so we think that a friend would help, and it can only make the weekends and shooting outings more fun for all too! We're on a timescale though, so we've got to decide and...find a litter ready at the right time for it all to work out! I'm so so excited!! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 When SP was at home Bryn was used to the company of 2 other dogs from the age of 4 months to 14 months old. So when hes alone for 3 hours in a morning and 3 hours in the afternoon he`s lonley and us being dog lovers anyway we may aswell double the fun :yp: christmas is the ideal time as it will allow us 7 weeks with pup before he starts with the work routine ! So it should work out well if only we can find a little dog pup ready we could collect on the 19th decemember to give pup maximum contact and attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 When we first got the springer. i was not working so many hours main reason we got the dog was because i was about most off the time. Then within the month or two of getting her i was offered more work. :yp: Well when you have the famliy growing up so fast as mine you dont turn the work down do you. So we decided to take the risk and get the other dog so it was company for Mits. So thats how we come to have Sammy . And for us it seemed to have worked out . Mind you sometimes the look on mits face is like . Why do i have to share a bed with this great loth. But thats women for you. My one bit of advice is make sure they have time out from each other right from day one. As i do find that if mits is not here and Sammy is on his own he do miss her . And if your a bit like me soft were your dog is concerned it really do tug at the old heartstrings. O and they just like kids if one being naughty then the other will follow. But you cant beat the enjoyment of watching two dogs play fighting . As the famliy we have spent more time watching them two playing together then we have the telly.It more entertaining and the sex scenes have not been cut out. XXXSuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn_Owl Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Well SP, I am going to throw a bit of controversy into the ring with your choice of a Patterdale / JR cross. In my opinion the Cairn is a happy go lucky type of terrier (Wizard of Oz fame) which has been well domesticated from it's origin's as a working breed from Scotland along with the Westie. The Patterdale is an out and out worker, not KC recognized due to type and as feisty as he|l. A true working JR has exactly the same characteristics as the Patterdale. It's not an unusual cross with terrier men, Patt / JR, Lakeland / Border, Lakeland / Patt etc. etc. but each cross has it's own place in the field, the combination of each breed into the first cross hybrid has merit's for specific task's. I have a Patterdale / Fell terrier, wire haired, black with a splash of white on his chest who is an absolute jem of a dog, no problem in the car, no problem sitting in front of the TV, no problem with children, men or women .. he's been brought up with ESS's and quite happy in their company but .. if I raise my voice to emphasize a command to one of the spaniel's he will 'attack' the nearest spaniel. Given that my spaniels are between 25kg - 40kg and he weigh's about 10kg has no bearing. Only a bucket of water when available separates them, I learn't the hard way and didn't realise just how near the surface his aggression stay's. My concern for you is the welfare of Bryn In my honest opinion the Cairn is no match for a Patterdale .. I do emphasize my opinion .. you may come home one evening and have a tragic shock. The Patt will not give in and relish a fight with anythink that moves, mine kills rats and squirrels for fun .. (also hates cat's) :yp: Do not purchase ANY of the known working terrier breeds. Why not a female Cairn ?? I agree with Suzy .. but there's a world of difference between two none aggressive spaniel's Clumber and ESS compaired with two terriers who don't play fight but go straight for the jugular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Good thinking Barn Owl. :yp: That had not even crossed my mind. Thank god no one ever listens to my advice. Dear PW own little love birds (i think you two are lovely) May i ask because am nosey. Why have you got your heart set on a Patterdale/cross. xxxsuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Bryn was around a little beofre me and Silver Pigeon met. Now i love little bryn to bits and hes great but mainly because he is short haired and not a mop head. Cairns arent my choice of dogs at all but bryn has a very big and specail place in heart and wouldnt be without him. Now me and Silver pigeon both agree we dont want a female of any kind but a small dog would be great and a terrier suits well. Bryn used to live with 2 golden retreives and has socilised with many breeds of dogs from yorkies upto a rotti and doberman, not once has he had a problem or shown any signs of it. Bryn has played very happily with upto 6 border terriers and again no problem from bryn or any of the boarders.Out of possibly 6 or 8 people we know with jack russels of different types not one of them has ever described the behavior that you have Barn_Owel, , also I think its fair to say that any 2 dogs could fall out and by us starting with a pup hopefully it will see bryn as a big brother ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Should also mention the pups that have caught our eyes for a possible viewing are parsons jack russel. We arnt majorly fussy but we both agreed nothing that is a known yapper or looks like a mop head ! Our minds havent been set solely on a patter jack hense the title of the post "and alike" Patter Jack was just used to title the thread as about 3 -4 months ago thats what we saw and thought looked great and behaved so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_pigeon Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Barn Owl...thank you very much for your reply.....I have read with interest your comments! You have highlighted a big fear I have...as Mrs Sweepy says, it is amazing to watch dogs play and enjoy themselves, but what if it goes wrong! We would never try to introduce anything other than a puppy as it is important that Bryn is the Alpha and that is not threatened! but your comments about the fighting and the nature of the Jack Russell worreis me! Suzy.....the reason we liked the Patterdale/J.Russell Cross was it is such a lovely looking dog and happy nature like Bryn! (P.s thank you for your comments.........I'm very lucky to have Salop Sniper!) Back to Barn Owl.....................my other thought of dog was to have a Sprocker! I have had a Springer Spaniel as a youngster and it was a fab dog, a Cocker but sadly it had mental problems and had to be put to sleep as a youngster because it bit very very sad. Like SS says, Bryn has palyed and mingled with Rotties, Dobermans, Borders his 2 best friends Golden Retrievers and we have never had a problem!..so I am worried as to what is the right thing to do! I think he needs a friend, dogs should be not alone, they live in packs for a reason and are not solitary animals! He is clearly not coping with the time on his own, and loves to play and socialise! We can't go for too large a dog, or too lively because that would not be fair either! Help!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Silver pigeon if you read barn owls post its aimed at the patterdale side of things not really the jack russel. Also he does not have the parsons jak russel. Quotes: "The Patterdale is an out and out worker, not KC recognized due to type and as feisty as he|l. A true working JR has exactly the same characteristics as the Patterdale. It's not an unusual cross with terrier men, Patt / JR, Lakeland / Border, Lakeland / Patt etc " & " I have a Patterdale / Fell terrier, wire haired, black with a splash of white on his chest who is an absolute jem of a dog, no problem in the car, no problem sitting in front of the TV, no problem with children, men or women .. he's been brought up with ESS's and quite happy in their company but .. if I raise my voice to emphasize a command to one of the spaniel's he will 'attack' the nearest spaniel. Given that my spaniels are between 25kg - 40kg and he weigh's about 10kg has no bearing. Only a bucket of water when available separates them, I learn't the hard way and didn't realise just how near the surface his aggression stay's. " Barn owl out of curiossity did you have the spanials first and what sex are they ? Also Bob t`s said he has a parsons with spanials and no mention of his dogs having a pop at each other ! Edited November 26, 2008 by salop sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn_Owl Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hi SS, Spaniel's came first, two boys and one girl aged from 18 months (girl) to 5 years old. (cat is 16 yo) A bit repetative but it's my opinion and certainly no offence intended to JR owners .. There is a world of difference between working dogs of all breeds and "show" dogs of the same breed. The JR was originally bred for working but how many do you see now being owned by senior citizens ?? around were I live there must be at least 15, not one has ever seen a days work in it's life .. I've no problem with that .. the dogs are pets. Numerous shapes and sizes, rough coated, smooth, white and black, white and tan there's even a three legged tri colour bitch, docked, undocked etc. Border terriers are the same when bred from "show" stock .. a brilliant family pet. The modern day Parsons JR is a "show" dog, active, long leg's but certainly not a worker given that it's breeding was for fox hunting. The car / 4x4 was the demise of the true PJR. The Patterdale (Fell) terrier is an out and out worker for all types of vermin and quite aggressive with all types of animals ... they make great companions but should never be trusted with other dogs unfortunately they fight to the death .. As you say Bryn has played with Rotties, Dobermans, Borders and Goldies however the vast majoriy are "show" dogs ..... The potential is still there but selective breeding has suppressed the aggression. (the same as Bryn) On a serious note two dogs together of different physical attributes are great until the younger one matures and then the stronger one becomes / remains the alpha leader. (after a scrap) Sprocker :o Why not a Cocker NO ONE can pick a pup at six weeks old and say what size it will make without seeing both dam and sire with a Sprocker it's very unlikely you will see the sire and it's possible the sire may not even be a spaniel your buying a cross breed either way. Go for a pedigree Cocker from a working strain (docked) Timsgary breeding sire's /stud's are small in stature but have fantastic working ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Also Bob t`s said he has a parsons with spanials and no mention of his dogs having a pop at each other ! they do have a spat from time to time, mainly jelousy. so far the spaniel being stronger holds the JR down. also at the moment she wont let him near the pups, she blocks him when he is in the room at the moment he is laid at my feet, she is in the corner with the pups. the first one goes in a week or so, hopefully another will be sold and I can concentrate on the two I am keeping. Edited November 26, 2008 by bobt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 With my two the alpha leader is the springer. who is smaller then the clumber. And also female (which is why i think she is the boss). have fun picking your pup.And when you have remember the piccys. xxxxsuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Barn owl, we know someone who has a sprocker who is great and we both liked the idea at first of somthing simlar but the energy springers and cockers have is massive so might not suit so well to the environment of 3 hours in the mornining and 3 hours in the afternoon alone with just 1 other dog. Also our dogs would only ever be indoors except in the warmth of summer or us being at home ! And I dont do the leval of shooting or hav the abillity to bring on such a dog as working ! Also the rotti mentioned before is far from any show dog and aswell as a bet its main job is propperty defence/ protection and she shares her box with a jrt called peggi and theres never been auy problems. Am confident and comfortable with the idea of a JRT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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