TheHunter Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) I have noticed in some of the threads that some members have a .243 AND a .308. I currently have a .243 on my FAC and I am allowed to shoot deer, fox and all types of pest and vermin. What justification do you have on your FAC which allows both weapons? I could understand a .223 (fox & vermin\pest) and .308(deer) but .243 and .308 seem too close together. Thanks Edited November 28, 2008 by TheHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 .223 for fox, vermin, Muntie & Chinese .243 for Fox, Roe and Fallow .308 for Fox, Sika & Reds FAO will give you the above if you state your case correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHunter Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I have no restriction for Sika or Reds on my FAC, is this more of an ethical point of view or are there published guidlines on the subject? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) Should no be restriction on your FAC - your Ticket should read Deer species (not specific types of deer) on your deer calibre rifles. I was just giving you the Justification you can put across to your fao to get each calibre. Edited November 28, 2008 by tulkyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Also a lot of estates wont let you shoot Reds etc with anything less than a .270 calibre, even though they will sometimes exept a 6.5 (.264) calibre rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verminer Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) i have stated on my licence: .243 for Fox and Deer and .308 for Fox and Deer, although i never use my .308 so if you know anyone who is after one give me a PM Edited November 28, 2008 by verminer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I have .243 and a .30-06, both for fox and deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hunter , Some think that the .243 is not enough gun for the big red stags and the .308 to much gun for the smaller roe . So they go for two calibres . There absolutly nothing wrong with this view . I being a one gun stalker so i go for the .308 . I used to use a .270 but in my opinion is to much gun for any of the british deer species ,but i used to use my .270 in north america on the bigger deer species . Dare i say it again . The .308 is the jack of all trades rifle and the master of them all . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I think the same of my 6.5 Hanser, it is more than capable of taking a Big Red and if you go down to 100grn bullets, it will drop a roe without to much damage It was either the 6.5 x 55 or 308 for me and the former won on a points victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Harnser, do you also use your .308 for fox control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Baldrick , I have and will shoot foxes with the .308 . I only take deer for the table or when they become a problem ( which incidently is most of the time ) Foxes are not a problem on the farms as there is no longer a game shoot . The neighbours have a game shoot and i have agreed to shoot any foxes that i come across to help them out and on occasion they are allowed access to the farms to lamp the foxes . I tend to go around with them to act as a guide and to help out . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I shoot as many foxes as I do deer, but I get very little use from my .30-06, the .243 doing the majority of the work. Like you, I think the one rifle approach has real merit, but the .30-06 is a little excessive for day-to-day work. I note that you used to use a .270: I'm thinking that a .270 or a .308 will give me maximum benefit. Few people have a good word to say about the .270 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I personally think that the 308 is the the best for everythying, bar rabbits and other small game it has the power for bore at close range and also deer and fox, there are new rules for constabulatorys (spelling?) that shows they are going to let you use deer calibers for the control of fox. Stevethevanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I shoot as many foxes as I do deer, but I get very little use from my .30-06, the .243 doing the majority of the work. Like you, I think the one rifle approach has real merit, but the .30-06 is a little excessive for day-to-day work. I note that you used to use a .270: I'm thinking that a .270 or a .308 will give me maximum benefit. Few people have a good word to say about the .270 though. Baldrick , Theres nothing wrong with the .270 . As a one gun stalker it would be more useful in say north america for the large antelope ,moose , mule deer ,sheep and goats . I used one for many years and never ever lost a deer that i shot with it . They do tend to be noisey particulary at first light in woodland and in my humble opinion they are a bit of a cannon and an over kill for the deer species in this country . In many parts of the states the .270 is revererd for its flat shooting when long shots are the norm ,particulary in the plains states and shooting across valleys in the more mountainess states for goats and sheep . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 You only have to look throught the list of rifles that Gregor Macleod has for sale on his site, to gauge how unpopular the .270 appears to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stu Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Unpopular ? shot these last night with my new .270 rem mountain lss. i use a .243 for most of my fox shooting but have been very impressed with this setup it shoots very very flat these foxes were shot out over 250yds of the sticks , recoil is no worse than my .243 now it has been moderated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Stu, what weight bullet are you using on fox? I've just got off the phone talking to a friend who keepers on a large Highland estate, who uses 90gr heads in his .270 for fox. "Flatter than a flat thing" was his description of this load, although barrel life was pretty limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stu Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hi i just purchased this rifle and the bullets i have loaded are 130 grn hornady soft ponts with 57grn's of reloader 22 and these seem to be very flat out to 350yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55 Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 The answer to the question as i see it is the .243 is nothing like the .308 even if it shares the same case the ballistics are totally different. For foxes and small deer the .243 is at it best and that is what it was designed for . But if you want a deer calibre then the .308 /.3006 are the ones to go for. If you want a calibre that is an alround calibre then the 6.5 x ** are the ones to look at. ps this is just in Britain. I had a .270 for a good few seasons and it was a fantastic rifle and suited my then passion for the open hill. I am now down off the hills most of the time and doing woodland stalking and fox control. Hence the 6.5 x 55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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