Tommo Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Right, Standard .308 Comp Stalker A Bolt. It has leupold standard bases and rings, has had a VIPIR AGS scope on till recently (l never fired it with this scope on) - All was second hand (6 months old and had done range work, 160 rds max and was told the scope was zero'd to 300yards, l know the bloke and trust him) I have changed the scope to a 6 x 42 S&B (using same bases and rings). At 50yards today with up/down turret turned fully up - it was about 2ft from bull (below), at 100yards it was scraping the ground - scope is fine as when l adjusted it it clouted the ground 30yards closer (so does work). Just had rings/scope/bases off and cleaned everything - nothing tell-tale or obvious - can someone help!! Tommo :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Has the elevation turret maxed out in the 'H' direction? Have you tried the scope on another rifle? If so, and the scope performs, then it is is 90% likely that it's those bloody awful Leupold rings and bases (assuming they're the windage-adjustable ones). Fit some solid rings and bases, like Warne or Burris, then try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Do you know what mate, I was about to PM you as l thought you'd be able to shed some light. They are those awful windage adjustable ones with a fixed front ring. As the previous scope was a **** ASG thing (shouldn't say that as l was tring to get rid of it) it would of had a wider range of adjustment (typical Air rifle scope) the old S & B's are far less forgiving in their range of adjustment. I sense a trip coming on to Stony Stratford and another £60 + being spent! Shame about that l high seat l would of had it - should be quicker! Tommo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 You could try shimming the back mount directly under the scope .This will give you more elevation . I have a load of old lead washers of varing sizes that i use for making shims out of . You can use just about any thing to shim a scope with . Lead wire or soldering wire can be hammererd down to make shims . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaserman Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 have you tried testing the amount of clicks to see if it has full adj? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Harnser, surely the unequal force a shim imposes, leads to the scope's tube being marked, or even crushed? Burris Signature rings, like Optilocks, have a plastic insert which caters for any minor misalignments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Baldrick , Over the many years i have been stalking i have allways shimmed my scopes if i have run out of elevation . I have used lead washers fag packets ,pieces of plastic and on occations pieces of leather . This has never caused any damage to the scopes . Mined you i have never had a scope on any of my rifles that had cost more than the rifle its self . How much do you need to spend on a scope to shoot deer at 100 yards . A rifleman with good eye sight should be able to shoot deer with open sights up to 100 yards . I used to use open sights on deer in my younger days when my eye sight was better . Any body who has not shot with open sights and who's eye sight is good should give it a try . Thats if you can get a rifle with iron sights on it today . A few years ago we would never have dreamed of buying a rifle without ironsights . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 If it is shooting 24" off at 50 yards, that is 12 MOA you'd need just to get it on paper at the extreme end of the adjustment range. That is a lot of shimming whether you use an Burris ring with insert or a piece of cardboard for you to still be on the edge of the adjustment range. I don't know how you're describing 'up' versus down, but if your shots are shooting low, you move the crosshairs down in the scope to meet the impact point. Are you sure you're adjusting it the correct direction? If you were moving the crosshairs 'up' in the scope tube you'd end up pointing the gun barrel down towards the ground and thus hitting the dirt. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I have just bought a Sako with open sights. It is enjoyable to shoot, and off the bags, I achieved a circa 3" group at 100 yards - good enough for Government work, as they say. I have now tarnished it with a bulky scope, totally changing its handling characteristics, but I will keep the open sights fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I have just bought a Sako with open sights. It is enjoyable to shoot, and off the bags, I achieved a circa 3" group at 100 yards - good enough for Government work, as they say. I have now tarnished it with a bulky scope, totally changing its handling characteristics, but I will keep the open sights fitted. Thats the ticket Baldrick , theres no faster handling rilfle than one with open sights . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo Posted February 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Thanks for the advice guys, Rang my local Gunshop (that i trust) at Stony stratford and described the problem to them, they'll have a look first thing tomorrow, boresight, then fit new Warne bases and rings if needed (which l think will be the case). Then l've got some privi to put through it in the afternoon to get it somewhere near - been told theres a shortage of Federal .308 knocking about?? Talking of open sights i was thinking of a Sako with open sights in .223 to have a go with (back to the roots!) But as its for foxing/night work, it'll end up being scoped... Tommo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 yep, you're right. I went the wrong way. 48 MOA is even worse. thanks, rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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