955i Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Coming back off my permission today, we saw a couple of other guys talking to the farmer. They were obviously there asking about shooting the land and the farmer said he would give them the owners number. Farmer asked how we had got on and we told him we had only had a couple (quiet day on the rape) when one of them chirped up 'we saw big flocks over the top field'. Now we can see anything in the air over the whole of the permission from where we were shooting and take bino's with us so we can get a better look and see if we should move, and there were no big flocks within view today even on adjoining land. We had been there since early morning and this was about 3pm and they couldn't have been there more than 5 minutes (the engine on their car was still running) so this was obviously said to make it seem as if we weren't being effective in the hopes of getting the land themselves Luckily, the owner is really nice and we have a good relationship so I can't see them getting anywhere with it but I did think it was a bit of a low tactic . Edited March 7, 2009 by 955i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 The Owner will probably ask the Farmers opinion anyway, thats if the Farmer has to pass such requests on to the Owner, most don't, but its a way of not having to say "No" on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkney Gun Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Yes I understand the problem tennant farmers and those that own land often allow the wrong type of people onto the estate land... You have been shooting his fields for years and then up pops someone eles and tries to take it away..any self respecting farmer will keep you /or let both do the job...HERE I. as head keeper decide who carries a gun I have even often stopped friends of his Grace (my employer) and bore the wrath! But I am different to you..Your farmer has the sense he will keep to who he knows..As a keeper friend of mine told me when I last visited him he heard that on the next estate to him a farmer had shooters on his land for years when he was told by strangers that they were not performing and they could do better and they even offered to pay him for shooting..Well its... income small as it was perhaps needed he took their offer and told the 3 lads that they were not to shoot no more... The new lads set about shooting pigeon for a few week then....Deer...Hare.. Pheasant.... and not bothered about the pigeon/vermin...My friend caught them on the boundary one evening with 3 deer and some pheasants and they were dealt with.(.too late ) for the Deer,Hares that were all but gone.. My friend heard that the original shooters were asked to return but they said no as they were suited eleswhere... The crops from this farm were poor acording to my friend... and the farmer still has no guns..He has to use "Bangers" which we all know are no good..Flags adorn his fields and the verim are abundant so much so that my keeper friend has to work harder on that side of his estate ajoining the farmer.... There is a paper due out I belive from from DEFRA and the Scottish Exec regarding Tennant/Owner " un-organised" shooting practices .... to be published in the summer, draft proposals I think have been made to combat this "POACHING BY LEGAL MEANS" after all once you give access to them they have the right to vermin shoot..But can you stand there all day and watch.... NO ... Perhaps it will do more HARM than good to tinker with the persent. Some will win/some loose... but a group of "un-organised" no policy statement/ Safety/etc and un-disirable shooters on the land is intollerable from any self respecting shot....and we all need to combat it...... So keep shooting as you always have done for him and he should value your contribution.as I say I have 3 keepers and Tennant farmers all shoot themselves here............ I am fortunate..... and thank goodness.... A.J. Edited March 7, 2009 by Orkney Gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Bloody hell, with you pigeon shooters it's all ''Whine whine whine - I haven't got anywhere to shoot, it's all taken by greedy **** who don't want to share!'' Then, you somehow get somewhere to shoot, and it's all ''Whine whine whine, other people want to shoot here too - the b*stards!'' Give as much as you take. Edited March 7, 2009 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkney Gun Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 ooooooooooooH such language awy wea ye makin yon bonnie wee boggle sach.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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