SNAKEBITE Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 I have had a look at previous posts but not had much luck at the moment. I am picking up a Jack/Norfolk terrier puppy in the middle of July. It is really the wifes dog but I wanted to use it to the best advantage when out shooting with an air rifle. Could you please give me some advice on what I can expect of it in terms of capabilities and the best way to get information on reaching those goals. Sorry to be so vague at the moment but I am really getting the ground sorted over the next 2 months rather than leave it to the last moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I have just finished reading the pinned article from NTTF. Very good. I think thats a good thing to start with. However the only qustion left is ............... AT WHAT AGE CAN I START TRAINING THE PUPPY? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Snakebite: i start my pupies at 8 weeks on there obediance and play retrieving, teaching a nice straight line retrieve in the hallway with an old knoted sock. decide in what manner you want your pup to hunt and then we can decide on how to train it. Good luck....NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Sorry for asking this but........... When you say "Once you have decided in what manner I want my pup to hunt....." what do you mean. What are the differences in the way it hunts? The way I hunt (if this has any bearing on it!) is to stalk around the land to the various points of "intrest" and then take the shots. I do however wait up as well if I am confident the rabbits are coming back out. What I would like the dog to do is pick up any awkard kills that are under bushes etc and help find any rabbits that I've shot but "lost" in the long grass etc. Flushing is not really relevant as I only use an air gun and moving targets are not feasable. (oh and it has to put up with me talking to it ) It just needs to be a steady beast that I can trust to be there at my feet off the lead and not have to worry about it pulling a moody whilst I've got my hands full with the stalking!! Am I expecting too much? Thanks a lot NTTF for the advice, I have a feeling that I amgoing to be needing a lot more of your words of wisdom :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Snakebite: You answered the question already.....you are looking for a steady dog, to perform retrieving duties and who is capable of trailing a cripple. Start his obediance and develope a nice natural retrieve through play fetching while he is a baby, then we can go from there. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Many thanks NTTF! I have until the middle of July before we pick him up but I need to get everthing planned before he arrives. What do I need to do with him from the day he arrives at 8 weeks old? I have read that it is possible to get the dog in bad habbits without meaning to, before you start to train him. As this is the first dog I have ever trained it is vital I do not get into bad routines with out even meaning to! Sorry to ask these questions but under the circumstances and the importance of getting it right first time I think I need to!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Many thanks NTTF! I have until the middle of July before we pick him up but I need to get everthing planned before he arrives. What do I need to do with him from the day he arrives at 8 weeks old? I have read that it is possible to get the dog in bad habbits without meaning to, before you start to train him. As this is the first dog I have ever trained it is vital I do not get into bad routines with out even meaning to! Sorry to ask these questions but under the circumstances and the importance of getting it right first time I think I need to!! Snakebite: I apologize for not answering this earlier, somehow I either missed the post or just plane forgot to answer....I am starting to loose my memory, I think, maybe, not sure.... . I will get some things up on crate training and house breaking for you today or tommorrow. Once again my apologies. NTTF P.S. have you got the little devil yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Thanks for doing that NTTF! I pick him up on Sunday. I could have got him last week but the wifes 30th Birthday party is on Saturday and I did not want him left alone for the night. This way it all ties up nicely and the wife will only miss one week of work before she has 6 weeks off with the daughter for the Summer holidays. Can't wait until Sunday! I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 House Breaking First off get rid of the newspaper. There is no sence teaching a pup to mess on paper in the house when you will just have to unteach him to get him to mess outside. Remember he will have to go out every time he wakes up, eats, has a play session, or has not been out for approx. an hour through the day. at 8 weeks he should make it through the night exspecially if you are crate training him. By the way crate train him this is a very important aspect to him in his future not only as a hunting dog being transported but as a faimly pet as well. When you take him out side to mess take him to the area you want him to use, tell him to go pee or what ever command you want to use and praise him when he goes. By giving a command to the emptying of the bladder and bowls you can teach him to releive himself much faster on those days you are pressed for time, or when it is really cold and uncomfortable to be outside. If he has an accident in the house scold him with a gruff NO, pick him up by the scruff and place him outside. Watch him when he finishes praise him telling him he is a good boy and bring him back in. Within 4 to 5 days he should be asking to go outside on his own. Curing him from nipping.? I do not allow any of my pups to nip, this only causes bigger problems latter on in life. if he nipps you a lite rap under the chin with your knuckles and a Stern NO delivered at the same time will discourage this behaviour. Always come from under the chin, this way the pup will not see the correction coming nor will he become hand shy , which he will if the correction is delivered from above. Remember do not be abusive in your corrections you the least amount of force neccissary to get the point accross. When he takes him teeth off of you praise him by telling him he is a good puppy and petting him. The one thing that I do differant in this is instead of just saying NO I use a Command of No Teeth. crate training to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Dont let your wife spoil him SB :thumbs: They treat them like newborn babies! LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dont let your wife spoil him SB They treat them like newborn babies! LB It is me that might have a problem with that I'm afraid! Our cat is a case in point. I taught it to beg by feeding it titbits. It USED to sit on the edge of the plate and when you turned away it had the food off it. It got out of hand so I had to untrain it by regular beatings and locking it in the dark place. It got the message after a while. However it still waits for me when I get back from shooting as it knows it will get the off cuts from the rabbits. He loves those and will sit at my feet until he gets fed! Blooming thing thinks it is a dog!! However I must admit it is better at getting pigeons than I am. He jumps them (BIG woodies here, none of your ferals) chews the heads off and brings them home as a present. Lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Got him today!!!!! Lovely bundle of fluff. He already has brought a ball back on comand, sort of. Still he looks well promising. Funniest moment yet is when he dug a rabbit skin out from a bag and proceeded to "kill" it, drag it off and hide it behind the sofa! That's my boy! He went straight for that over all the other toys and stuff in the bag! Took it away when he fell asleep as I don't want to "spoil" him and get him into bad habits as he grows up! (But kinda makes me proud though!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 SnakeBite Crate Training Be sure to buy a crate that will fit him when he is fully grown. Next blocl the size of the crate down to the size he is now. This can be accomplished by putting a cardboard box in the back of the crate to take up the extra room. Basically you want him to be able to stand, turn around, and laydown comfortably in the crate. You do not want extra room that may be taken as a washroom area. Make it comfortable by placing a blanket on the floor, you can also add an old Teddy Bear for company and a wind up alarm clock, to simulate a heart beat. Remember the crate is not a place of punishment, it is the puppys safe place. Now for the fun part. Try to do a couple of short sessions though the day, when the puppy is getting ready to go for a nap is a really good time. This helps the pup to realize that he will be sleeping in there. Place the pup in to the crate with a command, kennel up, crate, whatever you decide to use. Close the dore and leave the room. If the pup lays down and goes to sleep great, return in 1/2 an hour open the door praise with good puppy and take him out for a pee. IF the pup starts to make a fuss, howling and barking, and whinning, DO NOT go back into the room or say anything to the puppy. If you do the puppy wins, you must wait until the pup settles down and is quiet before returning , praising ,and taking the pup out for a pee. If he has mad a fuss he will definately have to go out for a pee. Try to get !/2 hour of quiet. At night place the pup in the crate for an hour before you plan to retire. Then when your are getting ready for bed, take him out for his last time. This will ensure that he is going to go pee as you have woke him up, and should ensure that he settles back down relativly quickly as he will want to go back to sleep. As you can see crate training works well with house training, and teaching the dog to go on command. Good Luck , any questions just ask.......NTTF By the way are you bringing him out to the Training Seminar, Trix is Brilliant with Puppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 hello snakebite just to let you know my parents used to breed norfolks about 25 years ago and they were game as any terrier you will ever meet, i also crossed one with my jack bitch she had one pup and it turned out to be a real good un,however just about all of the norfolks i have seen more recently tend to have been breed for showing and have lost there 'terrier' qualities.if yours is half jack i am sure he/ she will be a game ****** with a good mix of 2 proper breeds i bet you get years of fun out of it.btw they can be trained to retrieve but don,t be surprised if your game is brought to you with bits missing (Head,limbs, etc). plinker :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Oh yes he is a game little ****** all right! VERY confident and not afraid of anything. The only problem at the moment is that he does like to chew boot laces and trouser bottoms. I have triedt the knock under the chin and "no Teeth" command but he just keeps coming back. I do it until he gets the message but I am worried I am turning it into a game. The other thing i do is to distract him with a toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 when a pup wants to chew he has got to chew! what i do with mine is give them plenty of toys and things like carboard boxes to chew, they get loads of fun out of it and it gives your kid's new £100 trainers a stay of excucution,when he is chewing things you do not want him to chew warn him off and give him something that is permitted and if possible has already been chewed. got to go now bloody cocker spaniel chewing the stair carpet. plinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Oh yes he is a game little ****** all right!VERY confident and not afraid of anything. The only problem at the moment is that he does like to chew boot laces and trouser bottoms. I have triedt the knock under the chin and "no Teeth" command but he just keeps coming back. I do it until he gets the message but I am worried I am turning it into a game. The other thing i do is to distract him with a toy. I agree with plinkers advise on the chewing for teething reasons. However if he is being a problem when it comes to the pant cuffs and shoe laces, you are correct at being concerned . Puppys love to chase and play tug of war, and that is what he is doing. Let me guess he grabs hold of the pantleg locks his feet up shakes his head and growls....gets dragged forward if you take a step... As soon as he grabs a pant leg or lace tell him no if he does not let go pick him up by the scruff, one hand on each side behind the ears, be sure that he is completely off the ground and give him a very stern NO and a little shake....REMEMBER DO NOT BE ABUSIVE.....then place him back on the ground and tell him good boy, .....REMEMBER TO PRAISE WHEN HE IS DOING IT RIGHT OR AFTER A CORRECTION.... As for the nipping that you PM'd me about continue with the tap under the chin, if he nips hard at any given time say ouch, and mean it, (puppys cry at this point when they play together), and bite him back on the muzzel. It wont hurt him to make him cry, as he will realize that teeth hurt and he has to be careful....watch a litter of pups together and this is exactly what they do. Any problems, ask....NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted August 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Sorry NTTF, it has taken me a month nearly to say thanks for the advice. Apologies for my rudeness. :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Not a problem Mate. Trust me I know what it is like when life starts dragging you along for the ride....no time left to do what you want to.... Thats why I am a house hubby now, playing with the Boys and the Dogs, and letting Trix support me.... Are you bringing the little blighter out to the training seminar, would love to see him. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Snakebite; How has this pup turned out? NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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