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  2. pigeon shooting

    in Sporting Opportunities (Paid)

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    But your not paying per bird, you are paying for the guides time and effort in providing you with a days sport. He has to do the recces, see the farmers right, pay his fuel and other costs and pay for his professional sporting guide insurance (which is quite a few pounds more than BASC).

     

    Assuming he gets 10 guns per day, he's also got to pay the other 9 guides, they too will obviously have Professional sporting guide insurance to pay??

    Either that or fully guided refers to taking £100 off you, getting you set up in a field and repeating the process with the next bloke.

    Gotta say it's too expensive for me, but may be of interest to a beginner/ novice.

  24. price rises

    in Bullets, Cartridges and Reloading

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    Yes they are going up but if you were to take a comparison between cartridge prices and average earnings since say 1950 you would find that shotgun cartridges are a lot cheaper now than they were in the 50s, 60s and 70s compared to earnings. In other words how many cartridges you could buy with an average week's wages. In the 1950s they were probably four times the price in real terms

    They probably reached an all time low in the 90s when to all intents they didn't go up at all despite steady wage increases year on year.

    Now they are going up again, due mainly to a fall in the value of the pound but they are still a lot cheaper in real terms than what our fathers were paying.

    My uncle Harry used to shoot decoyed pigeons with a .22 ( wait for them to land and shoot them on the ground) because he said they weren't worth wasting a cartridge on them.

    There's a book called Blackpowder Gunsmithing, its an American book in which the author ( Ralph T Walker) describes growing up in Montana in the 1920s during the depression. In those day's an average mans wage was $1 a day but a box of 25 cartridges was $1. Can you imagine working a whole day to buy a box of cartridges? When I was 16 in 1970 I had a Saturday job working in a supermarket. My whole day's wages would buy me 40 Baikal cartridges or a box of 25 Eley Grand Prix and a few coppers left over. Thats why I started reloading, in those days I could reload cartridges for half the price of shop bought ones.

     

    And it wasn't just cartridges either, my first O/U, a Baikal NE cost me a month's wages in 1974 and I was earning reasonable money too. I couldn't stretch to an ejector. That same gun would be about a week's wages today.

    They may be going up but they are nothing like the price they were.

     

    I agree with what your saying Vince, but what you've failed to mention at the same time is the potential return on carts from the game dealer. Whats the current price for pigeon, pence? rabbit, pence? even pheasant & partridge have little or no value these days. How far do you have to travel to your local game dealer? In esscence assuming you were a reasonable shot it was far easier to offset the cost of shooting 20+ years ago. Just my opinion tho... :yes:

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