not sure about deleting as mark and i .s silly stuff aside this post has brought up some interesting views on whether to pay for a shoot if you cant get one or not. mark is right in a way , that once people start having to pay for land then its a slippery slope and every farmer will think he should charge as every one else is and hes cash strapped. but going the ill get it free somewhere line wont help in an area like sussex where land is at such a premium. now weve both agreed to disagree does anyone else have any thoughts? do many other people on the forum have to pay or been asked by a farmer to pay? dan