Chokemeister

May I take the liberty of posting a message that has appeared on Facebook, sorry if it has ben posted elsewhere: ---------------------------------------- Shooting community I need your help. Manchester Clay Shooting Club has been burgled and has had 3 traps stolen, 2 Promatics from the UT layout serial numbers 54524 & 54525 and a Promatic sporter. Can you please be on the look out for them and spread the word. Thank you ----------------------------------------

Sorry Billy, I did look but must have botched my forum search.

Google sent out an email to Google Adwords customers saying that they are going to pull all Google Shopping results for guns, ammunition, gun optics and gun accessories (Shopping results, not general search results). http://tinyurl.com/7rhf3be My private comment: Google are heavily biased towards 'Globalist' agendas and keen supporters of Globalist bodies such as the ***. The *** want an absolute ban on any form of firearm ownership by the common citizens. (I guess we are easier to control if a Global Governments turns nasty).

A heads-up that Kirklees Guns of Huddersfield are running another week of their 5% discount promotion. The -5% applies across the board and I just saved a packet on a deal, 5% is a LOT if you are after a new boomstick. Fair play to them, their prices are, imho, already excellent. Runs until 14th July. Details here, for info only, I have no commercial interest. http://www.kirklees-guns.co.uk/

Nah, it won't ever get banned. Bad Governments need lead to shoot their people. The various bankers and 'think tanks' that make up the financial muscle and movers and shakers of what some call, the 'New World Order", are 100% against private citizens having any means whatsoever of rebellion. Especially if they decide to enact some of their more unpalatable social-engineering goals, such as mandatory sterilisation, State 'encouraged' Euthanasia of the 'wasteful' and re-greening (forced resettlement of the Great Unwashed from rural living into sardine-tin CCTV-cities). Private arms, and the Free Internet, are really in peril unless this bunch fail. Right now, they are likely to, having pushed too hard in Stage-1 (the staged collapse of the Western economies to make us beg Globalists for 'help'). Well, at least that's what my granny said...

Good shells, smooth as you say and I find they pattern beautifully.

PMd

Trying to find a good Mec 12g SuperSizer. Anyone have one no longer used, care to swap for 500 x 12g 28gram shells? Your choice of shells, choose from from Hull Sov Fitasc 6 1/2, Superb Comp 7 1/2 or 9, SuperGems 7 1/2, or Olympics 7 1/2.

Read. If you DID, you would know this was a once-upon-a-time long-time A-classer who presently, likes to float like a butterfly in C-class, turn one good score (eg AA-class standard, unbelievably different from his 'average') on one shoot a year, to get some pretty substantial C-class prizes, then immediately manage down their score from B-class - as ironically, doing a AA-class shoot on the compy in question somewhat inconveniently pushes that shooter back up to B-class. It takes a following 2 CPSA class adjustments (eg 1 year) to get back down into C-class, which as it happens, is 1st June - on the day of a certain major competition and very convenient for the shooter in question. Not a chip on my shoulder mate, I'm AA and don't even look there, but I do hate seeing genuine beginners ripped off. Frankly, how dare you slag me off like that. No wonder people are afraid to speak out at obvious cheating. yeah, it takes a bit of effort and digging to expose it, but just letting this go on-and-on seems wrong.

I didn't mention which competition it was. I don't want to be sued. Though I'm told, last year's C class winner in that compy, took home cash + prizes worth over a grand. Personally, I think there are those who shoot for fun & social life all year, and are more than willing to manage down their scores down to get back to C class to win this kind of money and the fun of knowing you robbed real C-class shooters of their day. It's tough for a real C-class'er when Ex AA and A class'ers suddenly pull an AA-level shoot when the moneys there... then promptly start shooting like **** when they get back home. Once was bad enough, that shooter would best not try this stunt twice. Enough said.

Last years winner in C-class, in a major summertime DTL event, shot typically AA class scores, to win the C-class cash. Lucky? Inspired by the cash, or just a ****** sandbagger? Who knows, maybe we need 'more evidence' Perhaps a 'repeat performance' The winning 2011 C-class scores were so unusual for this shooter, their efforts bumped them up into B class, despite shooting VERY C-class scores post-competition. I see from the new issue cut-offs, this shooter has again, barring bad maths by the CPSA, got their B-class back down to C-class. Precision score management? Or their true, long-term form? We'll see. They are booked on again for the 2012 comp, and will be after the C-class prizes, which like last year, are handsome.. Yes, worthwhile sandbagging for quite frankly. Surely we won't see another AA-level score from this shooter to win C-class again? I have no beef with up-and-coming shooters in C and B shooting mega, AA style scores, on the way up. Thats the way the class system rolls. But skilled, competent shots pretending to be beginners to blag their "easy thousand" in cash and prizes is not on. Lets not mock and abuse the class system.

I am at work reading this thread. Way too much information for skulls to abuse, please consider sending the thread to Grennell's Deep-Six Jug...

It's hard to like what we are poor at. To suggest regular 299 or even 300's shooter's skill is just a case of 'throwing money' is an insult. I have only been shooting since late 2010, I bet you have tons more experience than me. I bet you have thrown far more money and lead in the air than I have. I shoot DTL. Lets me and you go head to head on 100 Registered, £200 to charity by the loser. THAT will make it entertaining. Easy money Jim, right?

Thanks, I would mean NI and Scotland shooters. Do you know how classification "on the day" is calculated. thanks in advance

How do non-CPSA (eg Irish, Welsh, Scottish) members of their own respective associations, get classified if they enter a CPSA recognised registered event? Do they use their current home-association region classification or do they get some calculated CPSA classification?

Don't see these come up for sale very often, anyone have one they fancy selling? PM me please.

Does there exist in this universe a video or even solitary picture of this legendary shot-maker?

Yes indeed, I think you have a valid point there. The nature of shooting ranges, are that it's in everyone's best interest they remain as shooting ranges. And to think, the new land owner gave up over 5 grand a year easy rent for a small patch of grass. The grazing isn't worth a fraction of that, crazy. There'll be no houses (imho), as the world economies are in a once-in-a-generation depression, this is no mere recession. Gordon, I heard Bolton is 'running its notice' into December, after that, I haven't heard anything. I have heard a pal say, he himself heard there is intent on reopening. Personally, I feel this is Chinese Whispers, nothing more, but I would hope....

An up-to-date look at the largely demolished A6 Clay Target grounds. Looking into the desolate carpark. The floor area of the clubhouse, once alive with banter, pisstakes and cardiac cases eating bacon butties when they perhaps shouldn't. Good times. So quiet, so sad. One of the once-covered stands. Now bare and dead. A clay-pigeon's look back at the UT bunker. All gone. (now at Worsley?) To the left is the precious field that the new land owner "wanted his cows to graze on". Sure you did. What can I say, it's been deeply ploughed over so nobody is going to reclaim the hundreds of tonnes of shot in this field, including you, farmer boy. I mean, would YOU 'graze your cows' on this?

Waa!?!? You paid 29p a round for 31/2 inch hunting shells?

I heard Bolton will keep shooting until kicked out, which (again hearsay) means they can keep going until around December. After some reflection, I'm not bothering travelling to the next nearest decent Trap clubs, what with the costs of diesel now it'll cause tensions at home, so my gun will be sold soon as I get it round to the gunsmith I bought it from. Perhaps I'll take up knitting. Greedy damned 'farmer'.

Well, it closed yesterday after the final shoot, won by the legend Paul Chaplow no less. To see the manager completely choke up as he thanked his staff was quite moving. The ladies who ran the canteen will be missed, they were very charming, friendly and it's a shame for them too. I'll miss them all. I overheard a few of the old timers talking, and more than a few said they would now call it a day with shooting. They were despondent and some are visibly frail and I wonder how long they would have had with the social-life zest the A6 offered them a day or two each week. That's the real cost of this. I hope the cows grazing that poxy field, or perhaps the real reason for this, make it worth it.

On review, of course I'd be sued. When decades-long A Classers, 'downsize their competition', yet bag beginner class wins with A-class scores, even if only on the big money days, it's just tough cooky. I need to learn to eat it and shut up. It's all totally fair and real beginners all have an 'equal' chance in such events, regardless of how long fellow shooters shot at the top-tier and maintain a beginner's average at all other times. yes, so I won't mention it again. I'll be moving up a class next season, so it's someone else's all-in-the-mind problem. Thank you Gordon.

LoL, no that's not the case though I suspect the real sandbaggers out there would love to see anyone shining a spotlight on them beaten up with that nasty comeback. Shooting 20+ % above a long running (and tightly engineered) average, just on the day when well over a grand in cash and prizes is up for grabs in the beginner classes, is not having a "good day", it's bloody thieving, period. I'm getting very close to naming names, and I don't wish to do that, but I will say that particular shootter has kept his scores consistently 2 whole classes under how he shot that day. Like you say, he must have just had a good day when a big wad was waved in front of his pus... ********!

Some very enlightening replies to the thread folks, thanks. I'm still watching a few individual shooter's scores. Don't be under any illusion that 'bagging the B and C class prizes is trivial or just not financially worth it. This year alone, there's been some heavy-duty cash in Sporting and DTL, plus extra prizes near a grand value, with at least 3 or 4 compys for the B and C class shots that will bag winners hundreds of pounds and extra prizes like new guns. It's worth it, end of. I do indeed see the older sand-baggers doing it as a 'hobby'. They only need to turn it on now and again, say every other year, just long enough to let the latest CPSA Issue Number score appear - and bobs yer uncle, all nice and reset if they undershoot for a year. Easy to do when shooting is a pure social event, a pastime and not a competitive, driven passion like the up-and-coming, keen shots, who if genuine only get a short time in the mid and lower classes. Okay. Enough whining. So what the hell do we do about it? I think we should introduce a mathematical dampening system on all scores of any shooter who has: (1) shot in higher classes at any time before. or (2) anyone who has shot scoring events for over two years in any event. I'll explain why. If a rolling 6 month average is suddenly leaped by say, 20% (arbitrary figure, open to comments) on the day, then nope, they don't qualify for a prize (but keep the score). Any sudden recovery from a health issue that lowered their class, meaning a sudden high score spike, would trigger the mathematical dampening on the score. Recovery from a health issue is a good thing, but not really a fair route to a lower-class prize with a sudden ridiculously high score for a class. (I say 'ridiculously high' as some of the 'beginner' class scores I have seen have been at typical AA level and that's taking the ****) How do we then protect the up-and-coming young or old new shot? They are capable of dramatic rises in scores when their natural ability is unleashed by practise or coaching, or even the 'joe and jane average' beginner who can see scores suddenly rise with sheer hard effort, tons of practise and love of the sport. I propose they are not included in the dampening system, until they have shot for 2 years. I think 2 year's of shooting is enough fair time to let talent show itself out of the beginner classes. There's no problem with higher classes pulling **** scores now and again. We all do it, even the top-20 elite do. But rarely will you see someone score 2 classes higher on a big-cash competition day - unless something stinks. Comments?