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no, the context is electronic scales. if a recreational shooter can afford .1mg accuracy he will.
I have both digital and mechanical lab balances. If a good reloading beam scale can reliably and repeatably detect the difference of a single kernel of a powder like Varget (around 5 kernels to 10th grain) There really isn't any advantage in having a scale that reads any finer than this because no matter how much trouble you want to take over weighing the powder you would need to cut a single kernel in half to get a more accurate weight.
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Well, yes. The context though is recreational shooting. Why spend £5K when a beam balance will do the same job for 100th of the price and will last longer?
A £50 electronic scale won't allow you to see differences of less than 1/10th of a grain. A £50 beam-balance will.
J.
Saved me some typing J. 
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Which scales are generally recommended, digital or these old school tipping scales?
Well - Horses for courses I guess. I have around 25 beam scales and 3 digital scales. I use a beam scale for powder and a digital for weighing bullets and cases.
I don't think you can beat a good reliable beam scale. A good basic scale like an RCBS 502 will very easily show variations of much less than 10th of a grain. It's not too dificult to get them to read to a single kernel of a powder like Varget and do it consistently. It depends a bit on how much care you want to take about your reloading and the accuracy required.
If you are happy with a group of an inch and a half at 100yds with your .308 then dumping the charge from a measure is probably good enough, if you are trying to shoot a .223 at 1000yds at an F-class target with the V bull only 5 inches across then =/- 10th of a grain is not good enough.
Because a digital readout on a scale tells you it's xxx it doesn't mean it really is. Gravity doesn't drift, is not effected by strip lights or mobile phones and will still be working in a hundred years just the same as it is now.
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This is just a simple idea that costs next to nothing if you have a smartphone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slqE3kodO8Y
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The fact even when I move 1 inch Moa on the scope it moves 4 on the board makes me think it's the scope, I'll get a new scope and try some lighter ammo, I'm so annoyed with the whole situation, per shot I'm putting 2 straight in the target walking to it checking moving the Moa and see it's moved across the board with the second 2
It was bought new
I think you need to see if the rifle will group first - Shoot a couple down the range, don't touch the scope, then shoot another couple down. You should have a group of 4 shots about the size of a matchbox. I don't think there is any point winding the scope about you know the rifle can put them about in the same place. Only when you get a consistent group do you want to worry about where the group is.
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Going to get a new scope and try that out hope that's all it is as rifle seems ok with the barrel floating and all, must be the scope I'll even try different ammo and hope that sorts the problem
its just ending up more expensive than I planned 
Before you buy another scope I would have a think first. - Was the scope working ok on your .22? Put it back on the .22 and see if it still works ok.
Any scope will be ok on a .223 (Rimfire, centerfire of airgun)
Have a think about your ammunition - are you shooting a suitable weight of bullet for the 1 in 12 twist of the Howa.
Shoot 5 shot groups without adjusting the scope - you are looking for a group, it doesn't matter where they are at this stage.
Shoot from a really solid position with front and rear bags. Check the stock to action screws are tight.
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Thats interesting - now it would be worth trying to see exactly how much they deform when going through a rabbit.
You would need to have a box full of sawdust or other soft material and shoot a couple of HP into it to see they didn't deform then hang a fresh rabbit infront and them shoot a couple through.
I guess that most of the 90ftlbs available is spent killing the turf.
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I think these are military Berdan primed cases, there are dies to remove this primer so the cases can be reloaded so as long as the brass is in good order then I would say you`re ok to use.
Try firing a primed case to see what sort of primer strike you get.
I think you are right - These cases will probably be Berdan primed and really only good for scrap. Yes - it is possible to reload Berdan cases but you would need to be pretty desperate and also locate some Berdan primers. If you look inside the case, a Boxer primed case only has one flash hole a Berdan case has two. To de-cap them you will need to use a hydraulic system or a claw to rip them out.
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All of the annealing systems I have seen just allow the cases to cool naturally.. as far as I am aware it isn't necessary to quench them.. happy to be corrected though
You are quite right - quenching in water has no effect on the brass. I do quench but only because I have burnt my fingers too many times picking up hot cases to admire my handiwork. I also wet tumble so it's no problem drying the cases.
If you are using tempilac (750F)it really needs to be painted on the inside of the neck. It is designed to indicate radiated heat not direct heat from the flame. If you get to the point where it is glowing you have gone too far.
You really only need to use the templiac on the first few cases until you are happy you have the timing right.
The "Hornady" method advise the use of something like 450F tempilac painted on just down from the shoulder. It is essential not to let the heat run too far down onto the body of the case.
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The links don't work. I think I've found the article on the website though. See the link below.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9784872.Parents_slam_gun_lessons_for_eight_year_olds/
Most of the comments are sensible comments. Even some non-shooters seem to agree that teaching kids to shoot is a good idea. Always good to see.
What do you mean by "here on the bbc facebook page"? There's no link.
Sorry about that Reece - Just having a bit of a "moment" I think.
https://www.facebook.com/BBCSouthEastToday?v=feed&story_fbid=193480788647&ref=mf
This is the BBC south facebook page with around 80 comments about their news article yesterday. Almost all comments were positive even from non-shooters. In the news article I think they even said "every one we spoke to was dead against it"
Ok - I have just revisited the page and it appears the atricle has been bumped off. I guess there is a way to find it but I can't seem to.
Found it under "recent stories"
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Welcome aboard Frank.
I saw the article and true to form it was typical BBC bias.
The same story was run here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9784872.'>http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9784872. ... year_olds/
and here on the BBC facebook page. The news item was typically BBC biased and very anti-gun with a couple of street interviews to support their views. There are now around 80 comments and nearly all think BASC have the right idea. Add a comment if you can.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9784872. ... year_olds/
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hello could anybody tell me is it possible to shoot standard 9mm brass cartridges through a black powder 9mm garden gun
Mark
Are you thinking 9mm Parabellum pistol cartridges? :o
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not a bad price,
are you using for target only, the match stuff is apparently not subsonic either!?
I would be quite surprised if the "match" rounds weren't sub-sonic. Almost all target type rounds came in at around the 1050 fps mark especially to keep them sub-sonic and enhance accuracy. A good head shot with a 40gn bullet will do the job whether it's HP or solid and if the groups are significantly tighter with solids at longer ranges I'm happy to use them.
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Do you think "Swipey" is one of the boys in blue trying to spread the gospel?
I'm sure it's nothing sinister. Probably coming up for early retirement and just doing the spadework in preparation for a cushy "civilian" job as "recreational shooters movements liaison coordinator" (or as a second job on his "off" shifts)
Talking of mission creep - What happened to the scheme in Manchester where FAC holders were asked to keep a fired case in a plastic bag for forensic tests if required?
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Massive "mission creep" from the police. If you are going about your lawful business, not bothering anyone, not trespassing and not breaking any laws - why do you need to inform the police? If some timid soul is "alarmed", by the sight of someone in a field with a gun in the countryside, that's their problem not yours and they need to wise up and get out a bit more. Even if you do it, the police still have to respond if someone reports you, so it's a complete waste of time. If everyone did it every time they went out, they'd be swamped and couldn't log all the calls. In fact, it's worse than a waste of time - it's conditioning us to ever more red tape and restrictions. It's a slippery slope before it becomes mandatory. Next thing they'll be wanting to take on extra staff to administer it and charge the costs for it to SGC/FAC holders.
We have more restrictions, red tape and bureaucracy to deal with as shooters in this country, than on any other nation on earth. We don't need any more
Interesting first post Swipey - Welcome on board. A little bit about yourself might be a good starter.
Blunderbuss - I couldn't have put it better myself
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I've never tried it against a range-finder, but I don't need one to say that my scopes wouldn't get you that close. When I go out shooting I'll set the scope at the range I expect to shoot at, and most things are crisp and clear either side of the set range, within reason. Yes if it's set to 20 yards it won't be clear at 100, but I think that you won't get close doing it that way.
I think the system works well in the 20-70yd range - Not that the distance marked on the scope will necessarily be correct, you will probably need to print your own. This is the system many field target air rifle shooters use to good effect. Accurate ranging is really necessary when the pellet has a trajectory like a flying turnip.
I would ask the question again in the airgun section here or elsewhere.
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To tell the truth I was going to get it threaded at a later date due to cost . Just wondering if a short barrel without a mod was widely used by UK shooters . Have only used and heard un moderated wmr so far you see so can't compare.
I would certainly get it threaded at the same time it's chopped even if you don't fit a moderator, a simple thread protector will finish off the barrel. While its chucked up and being chopped and crowned theres not much more work to cut the thread.
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Yes when I raise the bolt the sears engage and when I lower the bolt again, hey presto it cocks ready.
Schmoo.
Sounds good Schmoo - Nice accurate little rifle - just don't get carried away dry-firing it now it does click
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All this talk of the rifle being scrap is not correct. Just carry on using it
Excellent advice Vince. Finding an old Martini actioned .22 without a bulge could be an interesting hobby
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I'm another happy Eley subs user. I find, in my rifle, they are accurate, quiet and reliable.
I would suggest you get a box or two of several different makes. Your rifle WILL perform differently with each type, you need to select the best, and in my mind that means the most accurate. If you are hunting you will usually want a sub-sonic hollow point.
When you are testing them, try to be serious about your accuracy. Shooting beercans at 30 yards is great fun but it wont tell you much about your group size at 80 yards.
Shoot from a really solid position, bi-pod or a good sandbag etc. Decide on your zero range, 50 yds would be a good starting point. When about zeroed (you will need to come back to this when you have selected your ammo) shoot groups of 5 shots at known ranges, buy yourself a pack of blank postcards for targets so you can write what range it was shot at and what bullet.
Once you have found the right ammo, go and buy a brick of 500 from the same batch and stick to that ammo, the rifle wont like changing and you need to get used to the drop of that exact round, don't expect the point of impact to be the same at 70 yards if you swap from Eleys to Winchester subs.
Don't go for the cheap option - I'm a tight wad but the few pence you might save buying sub-standard could work out expensive if you get one stuck up the spout and launch another up behind it.
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Almost certainly a bullet stuck up the tube, probably a round with just the primer giving it enough umph to get it started. It depends how far up the barrel the bulge is. If it is well up the barrel then it would be an easy job to chop it off, thread it and re-crown it. A .22 rifle will shoot perfectly accurately with quite a short barrel and if it looks a bit odd you could always fit a shroud or moderator.
I'm sure there are many .22 rimmys being used every day with bulged barrels with no problems. The only reason you knew was because you did the unspeakable thing and poked a rod through it. :o
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I would like to publicly praise the fine work that the team at the Sussex police firearms issueing department do.
New SGC granted in 4 weeks last year
New FAC granted in 9 weeks this year
both of these had to enquire with my Doc over prescribed mediction, and a referee change on my FAC as 1st wasnt suitable.
SGC sent back, ammended and back on my door step in less that 1 week.
What a wonderful job this small team do.
Thank you thank you thank you.
Schmoo.
Come on - Own up! You really work for the Sussex police PR dept don't you. Good wheeze though, nearly fooled me.
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I, like many others of my generation, cut my shooting teeth laying on a damp and dusty mat shooting the club rifle in the 1960's, usually a BSA 12/15 single shot martini action with aperture sights. These were ALWAYS shot prone with no rest, just a sling for support. With plenty of practice they are capable of really excellent accuracy, even shooting outdoors at 50 and 100 yds with iron sight and only a sling. I really dont do much better now with a bipod and scope.
I kept up the prone .22 for a good few years also shooting prone fullbore matches, .303 then 7.62mm still with iron sights and a sling out to 1000yds. In the 1970's I discovered pistols and found they needed even more practice to shoot well (NSRA style, one handed iron sights) - After that - Well, there's a whole new world opens up. Duelling, combat, skittles, long range, black powder etc. etc.
I also recall a few Army "Marksman" being thrilled to get all ten shots in the black but being a bit disheartened when we explained that a score 62 wouldn't even get you a position as reserve in the D team.
Here's a couple of the elusive "possibles". I guess there can't be many who can claim the double, both pistol and rifle.
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I picked a box up last time I was in belper, just to give them a try. As you say, the hollow point is a bit small but they seem well made. Not had chance to evaluate them properly yet though. good price
I've used Fiocchi .22 match ammo before with good results - The Italians take their shooting seriously, just have a look at some of their .22 benchrest equipment.
Rifle rest for batch testing
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Although I use a heavy duty cast iron Cauldwell rest for this type of shooting I did make this which is cheap and adjustable.