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1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:
Will the voluntary ban be on sales or use?
Can't see how it will be on sales if it will still be allowed for clays?
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Just now, lancer425 said:
Not seen it have we stolen his march by any chance. 😀
Link: https://markavery.info/2020/02/24/news-shooting-organisations-bow-to-the-inevitable-on-lead/
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1 minute ago, lancer425 said:
not really. might strugle with the more bulky powders, but typica;l modern powders are ecconomical on room/ casr volume compared to say the types of powder from the days of 2.5 inch "like nobel 60/80/ 82 etc" now they were bulky .
Remember steel has no cushion section required, and any steel wads which have a supper short cush section are there to help them in 70mm cases etc to achieve a good crimp. you could get say a TPS or B&P 35 wad and cut them down so you could get max shot volume and not interfere with the crimp closure. And of course RTO with frangible top disk / card. would give a couple more grams perhaps. RTO in commercial ammo is common, and it could well be used. I think if i had a 2.5 inch i would reload, but i reload most of the time regardless.
OK, thanks. I don't currently reload and hope that something suitable comes along off the shelf. I'm willing (not happy but willing) to stick to 2 3/4" if I have to (in my AyA), but it seems sad that if no 2 1/2" solution is found/made, many many historic and highly serviceable older English guns will need to be retired - or confined to clays. Currently I very occasionally attend a drive where there are duck, and so use my AyA with (2 3/4) bismuth there, but bismuth is currently just too expensive for regular use.
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12 minutes ago, johnphilip said:
Do birds not visit clayground?????
Not if they have any sense!
My local clay ground doesn't (currently) allow steel (possibly due to ricochet risk?)
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4 minutes ago, lancer425 said:
Perhaps no 2.5 inch right now but that will change, and reload is always an option.
I hope so, but I think the possible problem is that there is insufficient room in a 2 1/2" case to get a normal load (weight) of steel. An ouunce of steel is much larger in bulk (volume) than an ounce of lead. For clays I'd be quite happy with 3/4 oz (which I use now in lead), but I doubt it would be any use at all for game.
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2 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:
Question you are using a gun that is not steel proofed and the worst happens for what ever reason and somebody gets injured and they go legal what defence would you have in court for using cartridges the gun was never designed or proofed for?
will the insurance companies pay up or run a mile?
That is a VERY good question. (And one I have always raised when various (often Americans) claim is fine to shoot 2 3/4 cases in 2 1/2 chambers) It is also relevant because there is currently no steel cartridge available in 2 1/2" as far as I know. The other (e.g. bismuth) alternatives are (for me anyway virtually prohibitively) expensive.
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15 minutes ago, RockySpears said:
Really?
https://www.fitfortravel.nhs.uk/advice/general-travel-health-advice/water-purification
General wisdom appears to be that water filters cannot reliably remove viruses.
16 minutes ago, RockySpears said:Yeah, it's just the flu,
No one suggested it was 'just the flu'. It remains a fact that FAR FAR more succumb to flu than this coronavirus. To date 79,640 cases of corona virus with 2625 deaths.
Flu is estimated to have about 1,000,000,000 cases per year (one billion) with between 290,000 and 650,000 deaths. https://www.ifpma.org/global-health-matters/flu-can-cause-up-to-650000-deaths-a-year-globally/
So far in the UK you are more likely to have won the lottery than died from corona virus. I don't claim it isn't an increasing risk, but currently it is a very very low risk in the UK, and all countries are being sensible in trying to decrease the spread.
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Emtec. https://www.noisebreaker.com/
Used for about 30+ years and excellent.
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1 minute ago, marsh man said:
As I said in a earlier post , it don't suit everybody , some people dread the thought when the time come , and then there are people like myself who was looking forward to the big day , I would have been finished 13 years come November , and I can honestly say , I haven't regretted a single day
+1
I have only been 3 years retired, but I have LOTS of things I do, time flies by. I was always confident I wouldn't 'struggle', and so it has proved.
It was brought home to me how lucky I am by the sudden death (from a blood clot) of a very good friend and former work colleague who died 4 weeks before his retirement.
Try lots of things - if you aren't a good hands on DIYer, what about doing some research? People have a really interesting time doing their family trees etc. I have done some research on various horological subjects, and a bit of informal research on various firearm aspects and some antiques/collectables aspects as well as some family tree stuff.
I have done some upholstery (chair seats), I'm going to try some stick making, I cook and have very much enjoyed that (but it's not good for the waistline). I always do some 'home cooked' items for our shoot snack at lunchtime, caught up with old friends and colleagues having a 'reunion' here at my house - some of whom I hadn't done anymore than exchange Christmas cards with for 30 years.
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6 minutes ago, RockySpears said:
It's not the actual Covid-19 that will get you, but the fact that you cannot leave your own home for two weeks or more,
That will be nothing more than a minor inconvenience - in any case - at present there is nothing like that in the UK.
8 minutes ago, RockySpears said:water and a filter system may not be a bad investment too now.
A water filter will not remove viruses.
8 minutes ago, RockySpears said:"Police, and if necessary the armed forces, will have the authority to ensure the regulations are enforced. "
It is right that quarantine is enforces correctly - or it is a waste of time.
Putting this in perspective - FAR FAR more people die from flu than this virus. Flu kills 646,000 people every year.
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2 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:
But people are idiots! Who goes into the HoL shouldn't be picked by people who are clueless as to how it actually works!
Which is why the 'incumbent' HoL creates a shortlist from which the public select the sitting member
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29 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:
they're there for a particular reason, often because of serious expertise in a particular area.
That is certainly how it should be, but these days, it isn't.
In my view - there should be senior persons from 'public life' such as ;
- retired Bishops (and equivalents from other major religions),
- Military (all services),
- the legal profession (e.g. judges),
- business and industry,
- finance
- the medical profession.
- academics
The should become eligible after they have retired from their occupation, and have a term of 5 years, and allowed a maximum of 2 terms. Selection of candidates should be a shortlist selected by the present HoL (non political), followed by a public ballot to choose from the shortlist. What is being looked for are expertise and 'level headed' reasoning.
The following should not be eligible to stand;
- Former MPs (they have done their time in governing)
- Civil servants from normal civil service jobs in government (i.e. not (non government specialists like legal, military etc.) - they have also done their bit in governing
- Officials from political organisations and parties, trades unions, pressure groups - the aim is to make it a group of subject matter experts, not political.
There should be a minimum level of attendance of (say 80% of sitting days) and an MPs salary and legitimate expenses. The 'title' is relinquished when you leave the HoL. Those who fail to meet the attendance without good reason (e.g. health problems) should loose their seats.
There should be a significantly smaller number, thinking about half of the number of MPs.
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Just now, Old Boggy said:
Have they changed or is it our tastes that have changed ?
I suspect both. The modern trend to reduce salt (especially) and sugar has led to food being blander as they often seem to reduce other seasonings/flavours at the same time.
In some cases there is a recovery plan available. Amazing how tinned beans can be improved by a pinch of smoked paprika, a pinch of garlic powder, a splash or Worcester sauce and a squirt of tomato ketchup.
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1 minute ago, old man said:
We are all somewhere on various spectra?
It is a popular view, but I'm not sure I agree. If you are on the level he obviously is, it should prevent him from being a broadcaster on public interest issues - unless part of a debate where the whole spectrum of views are represented.
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4 minutes ago, old man said:
His nature and self assurance that he is "right" are the driving forces there?
He has acknowledged that he has a mental health condition (Asperger syndrome) which (apparently) leads to obsessive behaviour and an inability to see other points of view and understand other views. That is exactly the sort of behaviour that people with that condition show.
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These days with good and inexpensive vacuum flasks with a wide mouth, you can put some real stew/pasta/chunky soup/minced beef and veggies in one - and it keeps nice for many hours.
Therefore pot noodles have no place in this world.
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6 minutes ago, Old Boggy said:
I didn't fully realise that the barrels can be removed without removing the sliding breech, so many thanks for clarifying that.
The barrels only need to move back about 3/8" to be removed. Once the sliding breech is opened and slides back, there is loads of room (probably 3" plus as there is room for an opened out 2 3/4" cartridge).
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Just now, Old Boggy said:
However, surely there are still 3 parts, the sliding breech which comes off first, the barrels and the action.
There can by three parts, but the original poster was talking about taking the gun down to put in the car. I don't take the sliding breech off then (it doesn't change the length of ability to put in a case). In fact I almost never take the sliding breech off. I genuinely believe it is at least as quick if not quicker to separate the barrels than on a normal s/s or o/u.
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15 hours ago, enfieldspares said:
To take it down you have to hit...yes, hit...the muzzles of the barrel onto a hard floor.
I have a Darne; the above is certainly not true for mine.
- Open the breech
- Place stock on the floor/table
- Press the button (under the action and about where the hinge pin would be on a normal s/s)
- Tap the muzzles with the palm of the hand - and the barrels slide back and off.
If anytrhing, because there are only two parts, not 3, it is faster than a normal s/s or o/u.
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2 hours ago, ditchman said:
a marrige aint going to last long without give and take
Just what they have - he gives, she takes. Don't all marriages work that way?
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16 minutes ago, nabbers said:
You can't ban the sale of wet wood.
To be fair, they are to ban the sale of wet wood in volumes less than 2 cubic metres. I'm guess ing the assumption is that someone who buys a larger quantity will manage the wood drying etc.
My neighbour has a structured wood plan where he dries it (2 seasons I think?) and has a carefully thought out plan for the future supply. It never bothers me with smoke despite me being 'downwind' on most days, the way the prevailing wind blows.
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14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:
how are the above going to heat their homes or ones they rent
If they rent a home - it is particularly difficult as 'investing' in improved heating/insulation doesn't have the same attraction - because the landlord may not allow changes and at best you are improving the landlords property ...... at your expense.
About 5 years ago I embarked on a major refurbishment/upgrade of my house - which was to include full rewiring and replumbing. I did a significant amount of research on how to make the house comfortable and sensibly cost effective for my long term future there. I have mains gas. A quick summary below;
I started out with two separate gas heating systems, both quite efficient condensing boilers - one quite modern, the other old and though reliable getting hard to get parts, very old (mostly 30 to 50 years old) radiators, old gas AgA and two quite modern 'fully glassed in' gas fires.
I wanted to end up with one large zoned heating system, as economical as reasonably possible to run in what is a large, old, listed, but quite well insulated (for its type) house, and take the rest to suit that in the most economical way based on a 20 year service life. The house has a heat 'demand' of 40 KW.
I looked at the following fuel/heat sources;
- Electric heat pump: Air sources has no good location and to give 40 KW is pushing it for this type. Low flow temperatures mean very large radiator surface areas, underfloor was not practical given the building type and listed status. It also didn't suit my (then) lifestyle of being out most of the day. Ground source would have been better, and though I have 'adequate' area, it is heavily infested with tree roots from protected trees. Initial costs were VERY high, and running costs estimated to be low to moderate.
- Wood pellet: No suitable accommodation for boiler (flues especially) and fuel storage. Uncertain future pricing. Very high initial costs, and low to moderate running costs - but subject to uncertain pricing in future.
- Wood logs: Similar to pellets and a thermal store was also impossible to accommodate without other major space problems. I do have access to cheap/free wood. Very high initial costs, and very low to low running costs - assuming access to free supply remains. 'Work' probably too much for me as I get older.
- Mains gas: Cheapest to install, most flexible to operate - and low(ish) running costs. At the time - gas was considered 'politically' correct.
- Oil and bottled/tanked gas were ruled out as being similar but more expensive to mains gas.
- Localised log burners would be nice, but less practical for me 'day to day' and there are flue issues to overcome which add significantly to the costs.
I went mains gas with a 42KW Worcester Bosch and all new (generously sized) radiators allowing lowish water flow/return temperature giving improved efficiency. Ditched the gas AgA (vastly expensive work needed to replace obsolete burner and very costly and difficult bring flue up to modern regulations) and have electric induction cooking - which is very good indeed. I retained and added to the room gas fires (up from 2 to 3) which give a fallback in the event of mains power failure and are a nice source of radiant (rather than convected) heat with convenience and moderate running costs.
I appreciate that this is not always possible - and needs significant investment. What I do when the current boiler expires and I can't get a replacement remains to be seen.
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Just now, Yellow Bear said:
Many thanks - interesting link
It is good - and I think I have to thank someone else (unknown and a while back) on PW for bringing it to my attention
Lead ban & BASC
in General Shooting Matters
Posted · Edited by JohnfromUK
As I understand it - the proposed 'voluntary ban' only applies to game and field use - NOT clays for which lead will continue.
It isn't only 'minor bores', but all the 2 1/2" chambered 12 bores (the vast majority of 19th and 20th century English and Scottish 12 bore guns (no doubt any Welsh and Irish guns as well)). I understand from another site that Hull Cartridge have tested steel 2 1/2" in the past (1990s), but didn't at that time follow through with development into production.
It could be about pacifying the Packhams, Averys and Co of this world.