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1 minute ago, panoma1 said:
Even Kate Hoey, Labour (I believe that’s her standing in a blue/grey jacket on the RHS opposition benches) is leaving! Lol!
The majority of Labour constituencies voted to leave; virtually all northern and midland Labour (heartland) constituencies voted leave; those Labour constituencies that voted remain are mainly London (Champagne socialists) and Scotland (those who can't stomach wee Jimmy and the SNP). Corbyn himself has always been a leaver (but now has to do what he is told)
The current Labour 'remain' policy is mainly that of Len McLusky (pays many of Labour's bills and in return expects to set policy), Thornberry (rich Champagne socialist, real name Lady Emily Nugee - hates 'white van man'), Abbott (very high immigrant vote in her constituency and the London's answer to the traditional 'village idiot'), McDonnell, (committed socialist with his own second (holiday) home he tries to keep quiet), (Sir Keir) Starmer (another wealthy lawyer/Champagne socialist).
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5 minutes ago, ditchman said:
and it goes on an on an on an on
And so it will whilst we have;
- a minority government
- an opposition who (despite calling for it almost continuously) won't allow a General Election (and a bizarre law that leaves the choice to the opposition, not the government)
- a Labour party who despite promising at the 2017 election to support the Brexit vote outcome - have opposed it every inch of the way
A General Election is badly needed - but Labour are frightened because the know they will lose out due to:
- a dithering and 'shouty' old fool of a leader,
- a front bench of incompetents such as Abbott, Long-Bailey,
- policies far to 'lefty' for most normal working people
- no clear policy on Brexit at all
- an inability to deal with anti Semitism
- MPs who (by and large) don't support the lefty 'National Executive Committee' (and vice versa)
- Weak and unclear policy on defence - especially nuclear
- Weak and unpopular (especially with core northern and working area Labour voters) policy on immigration
- Support from many lefty members for terrorist and other protest groups (ALF, LACS, ER etc.)
I understand the the 'Opposition' are meant to oppose .......... but that should not be the case in carrying out a cross party referendum result - on which they have promised to deliver
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21 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
'Whatever it is, its going to be bad' 😂
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-is-forced-to-correct-lib-dem-brexit/
I think she has been taking lessons ........ from Diane Abbott
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1 minute ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:
How about also only having MPs with life / business experience, rather than skool - Uni - Researcher - LA councillor - MP - PM
Or possibly a 'minimum' (and maximum) age for MPs? I would like to be represented with someone who has broad and wide ranging experience of 'life' - and who understands the responsibilities (and challenges) that come with adulthood, family life, bringing up children etc.
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18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
Would you agree with that distinction and indeed that two positions are distinct?
Yes, but I suspect that in most (probably all) cases people who are anti Semitic would be anti Israel, and conversly, people who are anti Israel are more than likely to be anti Semitic, but perhaps not all. They are likely yo go together.
18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:If so, could we also perhaps agree then that maybe both the far left and the far right are anti-semitic?
Yes, I think that is the case, though I suspect in the case of the far right, it is more anti various ethnic groups, including Muslim, Asian, African, Indian and various other groups. Not sure how much of the 'other groups' also applies to the left who I think are more concentrated on the Semitic parts due to the perceived financial manipulation/dominance.
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1 minute ago, Mice! said:
What are it's chances of passing then?
My guess is the Parliament will reject it by a very small margin. It is pretty clear that a large majority of the public want Brexit 'over and done' and this is the only way of achieving it as things stand at present ........ which is why I think Parliament will probably reject it - but it could go either way.
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Just now, Raja Clavata said:
Where is the evidence of this, is it only the big banks that have Jewish origins or all of them?
Many of the big financial institutions and other businesses do; but it isn't really those that actually have Jewish connections that matters - it is the 'perception'.
Those I can think of that 'do' are Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs, Lehmanns
Those that don't - JP Morgan, Barings
Lots of other large businesses do - Marks and Spencer being a prominent name.
Even the left leaning Guardian acknowledges the problem has been long standing in the left. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/shame-of-anitsemitism-on-left-has-long-malign-history
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Very sad. I have had to take them to the vet for a last time, and it is hard; but it is the right thing to do when the time comes.
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1 hour ago, simcgunner said:
trying to fit a stock from another gun is the worst option in my humble opinion as it is unlikely that it will ever fit properly.
+1
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25 minutes ago, B725 said:
some Labour bloke David Lammy
A complete motormouth - out of the Diane Abbott school when it comes to logical thought. He made a number of totally false claims at the time of the Grenfell tragedy. Not in his constituency and claiming he had lost a friend in the fire (which it later transpired he hadn't) and claiming that it was a cover up and far more had perished .......
He was simply stirring to get his face and motormouth on every broadcast. Despicable individual capitalising on a very sad event.
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7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
No, a general election, then if the new house votes for it , a referendum on proposed options, followed by a vote on those options.
A General Election should sort it because the parties stances on Brexit are pretty clear;
- If you want to leave, you vote either Tory (or Brexit if they stand and if you think they would actually win the seat - as they might in some Labour seats)
- If you want to remain, LibDem, Green, or if in Wales or Scotland Plaid or SNP as alternatives
- If you want to stay in limbo not knowing whether to leave or remain and have the economy wrecked as a bonus, vote Labour.
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25 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
can it get through the lords in the same day ?
From the wording above (which puzzles me) it actually only says the Lords have to 'debate' it. Having said that - I agree that to get it all done on Saturday seems unlikely; I'm not sure if the Lords have been called to sit on Saturday?
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2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
The benn act is technically nullified now,
Is this correct? My understanding was that any 'deal' had to be agreed with the EU AND ratified by passing a Parliamentary vote before the Benn act was redundant. See below:
Section 1 obliges the Prime Minister to request an extension to the Article 50 negotiating period for the purpose of negotiating a withdrawal agreement, unless the House of Commons has passed a motion which either approves a withdrawal agreement or approves departure without a deal, and the House of Lords has debated the same motion. If such a motion is not approved, the Prime Minister is obliged to make the request no later than 19 October 2019.
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9 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
Genuine question; Are labour really anti-semitic or just pro Palestinian? I believe there is a difference between the two but suspect others see things differently...
The left of the Labour party is strongly anti Semitic; they believe that the ills of the world are due to the global financial system being controlled by the big banking families (Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs, etc.) who are oppressing 'the workers'. I'm serious!
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28 minutes ago, panoma1 said:
If no deal is agreed, Boris should send a letter to the EU asking for an extension of one day!
That would not meet the terms of the Benn act which apparently states "The Benn Act, passed by Westminster last month, requires Mr Johnson to ask the EU for a Brexit extension to 31 January if Parliament does not agree to any withdrawal deal by 19 October."
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6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
although a second referendum prior to the GE would be in everybodys interest.
Utter waste of time, cost and effort.
The present government is paralysed. It has no majority and can't do anything. It can't even go to the country for a General Election because the fixed term Parliament act means it needs a 2/3 majority to do so - and Corbyn says he wants an election, but then whips his party to vote against it.
The way forward is an immediate General Election. Everybody knows where most of the parties stand on Brexit;
- Tories to leave
- LibDems, Independence Group (or whatever they are called this week), Greens, Plaid Cymru and SNP to remain
- Labour to sit on the fence and possibly have a referendum and possibly campaign to remain in that referendum - depends who you ask. Diane Abbott wants to carry out the referendum result but will campaign for remain! Corbyn wants to leave - but will hold a vote in which most of his party will campaign against him.
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31 minutes ago, B725 said:
When Brexit goes ahead and Corvid then calls for an election does Boris have to agree or can he tell him to whistle.
If Corbyn calls a vote of no confidence - and Boris loses, there is a two week period when 'someone' can go to the Queen and demonstrate they have a workable level of confidence (i.e. a majority vote of confidence can be achieved). They can then takeover. The 'someone' could be Corbyn, a compromise candidate such as Beckett or Clarke, or indeed Johnson with a new 'coalition'.
If however after two weeks no such leader emerges (as seems likely to be the case), there will be a general election - the timing of which is down to Boris, but must have at least 5 weeks notice (I think it is 5 weeks).
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Corbyn has little support from many of his party MPs. They know that the lefty policies like 'open borders',
massmore immigration, 4 day weeks, re-nationalisation, non nuclear, prop terrorist - are simply note wanted in most constituencies outside London. Put bluntly - those policies will probably loose them their jobs in an election.They are the Marxist Utopian dream of the lefty Champagne Socialist set from mainly London that now run Labour with Corbyn as their puppet.
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If someone makes you do something quite contrary to your own judgement and will, it is natural that you should make it clear that it is not your own view.